Conroe Buying Guide: Feeding the Monster
by Gary Key & Wesley Fink on July 19, 2006 6:20 AM EST- Posted in
- Motherboards
ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe
Basic Features
Current thinking in overclocking options is to provide very fine adjustments for voltages over a very wide range of control - particularly in the memory voltage control. ASUS has done this on other recent boards, like the AM2-based M2N32-SLI Deluxe. However, the P5W-DH only extends to 2.4V compared to the 2.5V on the M2N32-SLI and granularity of the adjustments is a pretty coarse 0.5V compared to 0.2V on the M2N32-SLIl. We suspect this is because the P5W-DH is mainly a refresh to the existing ASUS P5WD2-E, which we reviewed at ASUS P5WD2-E Premium: Intel 975X for the Enthusiast when it was introduced in January.
As you will see below, overclocking was outstanding, but we suspect that higher voltage adjustments on the MCH would allow even higher overclocks. The ASUS stops at 1.65V, while the Intel BadAxe goes on to 1.725V. We would welcome ASUS raising the top voltage on the MCH. There are reports that modding the ASUS to reach 1.9V MCH allows FSB overclocks to almost 500 instead of the current limit of around 440 to 450 FSB.
If you compare the new board to the earlier P5WD2-E you will find the board is basicly the same. The storage controllers have been changed to a Silicon Image that allows a port-multiplier type connect to one of the ICH7 ports. This allows driverless RAID. The board has also dropped the PCIe x4 slot. Asus also replaced the Marvel SATA/PATA controller with the updated JMicron chip. In general. though, our comments in the P5WD2-E review still accurately describe the board's strengths and weaknesses.
The P5W-DH Deluxe adds the lower voltages required by Core 2 Duo and meets the voltage stability requirements for Conroe. Both of these factors are why almost all existing Socket 775 boards cannot handle Core 2 Duo. Both a BIOS and a hardware change are required for proper operation with Conroe.
Basic Performance
All-in-all the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe is one of the best Conroe boards we have tested. The 975X chipset is definitely more mature than current P965 chipset motherboards. Having said that, there were still several BIOS revisions during our testing to update certain peculiarities in the current steppings of Core 2 Duo.
The ASUS board was every bit as stable with Core 2 Duo as the Intel BadAxe, which for a long time was the only board that would operate with Conroe. The ASUS also implements the ability to adjust X6800 (2.93EE) ratios both up and down, which is a feature of this processor, but is not supported on all boards. The ASUS overclocks further than any other stock board we tested, and it recovers from bad overclocks gracefully. If the OC is close a reboot will usually allow further adjustment. If the OC is far off you need to physically turn off the power then restart to further adjust the BIOS. This is a much more friendly board for OC than the Intel BadAxe, for instance, that will not recover from any failed OC without a full power down and sometimes a CMOS clear.
The ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe also fully supports dual X8 CrossFire. The Enthusiast wanting to overclock Conroe as far as possible or anyone wanting to run ATI multi-GPU on an Intel chipset will be very happy with the P5W-DH. We liked the board enough that it became our new standard board for our DDR2 memory testing platform.
Overclocking
The decision was reached to evaluate motherboards with the E6700 (2.67) processor, as it represents the mid-range of Conroe pricing. Of course, all Conroe processors except for the top X6800 are multiplier locked, which limits options in overclocking. Like Socket 478 that does not appear a huge handicap, since the stock E6700 reached a 50% overclock at 4.0 GHz. Our new OC test bed uses an excellent air cooler in the Tuniq Tower, and you are likely to experience lower overclocks with stock cooling.
The ASUS P5W-DH also reached 4.0GHz with an X6800 (stock 266 x15 at 1.575V) and an E6600 at 445FSB x 9x multiplier. All of these results are outstanding, representing overclocks at stock ratio as high as 67%.
With the wide range of adjustable memory ratios and voltages, memory was set to end up somewhere around DDR2-800 3-3-3-9 at 2.2V. This is really easy with the ASUS P5W-DH BIOS, since the BIOS shows the resulting memory speed when you adjust the FSB speed. This means you don't have to calculate the resulting memory speed when trying to set up a rational overclock, which is a really convenient feature for most enthusiasts.
Overclocking is always dependent on the chip you have and the capabilities of the motherboard. Processors vary in their OC abilities, and OC is never a given. However, we are confident that wherever you can go with your CPU it is not likely the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe will be holding back your overclocking efforts.
Basic Features
| ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe | |
| Market Segment | High-End/Enthusiast |
| CPU Interface | Socket T (Socket 775) |
| Chipset | Intel 975X + ICH7R |
| CPU Support | Core 2 Duo, Pentium D, Celeron D, Pentium XE, LGA-775 based Pentium 4 |
| Thermal Design | 8-phase power Fan-less Heatpipe Cooling ASUS Stack Cool for OC |
| Default Bus Speed | 1066 (533/266) |
| Bus Speeds | 100 to 500 in 1MHz Increments |
| Memory Speeds | DDR2 at Auto,400,533,667,711,800,889,1067 |
| PCIe Speeds | Auto, 90 to 150 in 1MHz Increments |
| Performance Mode | Auto, Standard Turbo |
| AI Overclocking | Manual, Auto, Overclock Profile, AI N.O.S. |
| PCI | Auto, 33.3, To CPU |
| Core Voltage | Auto, 1.225V (Actual CPU voltage) to 1.7000V in 0.0125V increments |
| FSB Termination Voltage | Auto, 1.2v, 1.3v, 1.4v, 1.5v |
| MCH (Memory Controller Hub) Voltage | Auto, 1.50v, 1.55v, 1.60v, 1.65v |
| ICH (SB) Voltage | Auto, 1.05v, 1.20v |
| PEG Link Mode | Auto, Slow, Normal, Fast, Faster |
| CPU Clock Multiplier | Auto, 4x-25x in 1X increments |
| DRAM Voltage | Auto, 1.8V to 2.4V in .05v increments |
| DRAM Timing Control | 9 Options |
| Hyper Path 3 | Auto, Disabled, Enabled |
| Multi-GPU Option | CrossFire (2 X8 PCIe) |
| Memory Slots | Four 240-pin DDR2 DIMM Slots Dual-Channel Configuration Unbuffered ECC/non ECC Memory to 8GB Total Intel MPT (Memory Pipeline Technology) ASUS HyperPath3 |
| Expansion Slots | 2 PCIe X16 2 PCIe X1 3 PCI Slots |
| Onboard SATA/RAID | 3 SATA2 3Gb/s Drives by Intel ICH7R (RAID 0,1,5) PLUS 2 SATA2 3 Gb/s Drives by JMicronJMB363 (RAID 0,1) (1 internal,1 external) PLUS 2 SATA2 3 Gb/s Drives by Sil4723 (supports RAID 10 by combining iCH7R drives with Sil4723 drives) TOTAL - 7 Sata2 3Gb/s drives |
| Onboard IDE/IDE RAID | One Standard ATA133/100/66 (2 drives) by JMicron JMB363 |
| Onboard USB 2.0/IEEE-1394 | 8 USB 2.0 ports supported by ICH7R 2 Firewire 1394a by TI |
| Onboard LAN | DUAL PCIe Gigabit by Marvel 88E8053 for AI Net2, PLUS WiFi 54Mbps supporting 802.11g |
| Onboard Audio | Azalia HD Audio by Realtek ALC882M 8 channel codec Supports Dolby Master Studio including Dolby Digital Live |
| Power Connectors | 24-pin ATX 4-pin EATX 12V |
| Back Panel I/O Ports | 1 x PS/2 Keyboard 1 x PS/2 Mouse 1 x Serial 1 x Audio I/O Panel (6 plug programmable) 1 x Optical S/PDIF Out Port 1 x Coaxial S/PDIF Out Port 1 x IEEE 1394a Firewire 1 x External SATA2 2 x RJ45 LAN 1 x Wireless LAN antenna 4 x USB |
| BIOS Revision | AMI 701 - July 8, 2006 |
Current thinking in overclocking options is to provide very fine adjustments for voltages over a very wide range of control - particularly in the memory voltage control. ASUS has done this on other recent boards, like the AM2-based M2N32-SLI Deluxe. However, the P5W-DH only extends to 2.4V compared to the 2.5V on the M2N32-SLI and granularity of the adjustments is a pretty coarse 0.5V compared to 0.2V on the M2N32-SLIl. We suspect this is because the P5W-DH is mainly a refresh to the existing ASUS P5WD2-E, which we reviewed at ASUS P5WD2-E Premium: Intel 975X for the Enthusiast when it was introduced in January.
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As you will see below, overclocking was outstanding, but we suspect that higher voltage adjustments on the MCH would allow even higher overclocks. The ASUS stops at 1.65V, while the Intel BadAxe goes on to 1.725V. We would welcome ASUS raising the top voltage on the MCH. There are reports that modding the ASUS to reach 1.9V MCH allows FSB overclocks to almost 500 instead of the current limit of around 440 to 450 FSB.
If you compare the new board to the earlier P5WD2-E you will find the board is basicly the same. The storage controllers have been changed to a Silicon Image that allows a port-multiplier type connect to one of the ICH7 ports. This allows driverless RAID. The board has also dropped the PCIe x4 slot. Asus also replaced the Marvel SATA/PATA controller with the updated JMicron chip. In general. though, our comments in the P5WD2-E review still accurately describe the board's strengths and weaknesses.
The P5W-DH Deluxe adds the lower voltages required by Core 2 Duo and meets the voltage stability requirements for Conroe. Both of these factors are why almost all existing Socket 775 boards cannot handle Core 2 Duo. Both a BIOS and a hardware change are required for proper operation with Conroe.
Basic Performance
All-in-all the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe is one of the best Conroe boards we have tested. The 975X chipset is definitely more mature than current P965 chipset motherboards. Having said that, there were still several BIOS revisions during our testing to update certain peculiarities in the current steppings of Core 2 Duo.
The ASUS board was every bit as stable with Core 2 Duo as the Intel BadAxe, which for a long time was the only board that would operate with Conroe. The ASUS also implements the ability to adjust X6800 (2.93EE) ratios both up and down, which is a feature of this processor, but is not supported on all boards. The ASUS overclocks further than any other stock board we tested, and it recovers from bad overclocks gracefully. If the OC is close a reboot will usually allow further adjustment. If the OC is far off you need to physically turn off the power then restart to further adjust the BIOS. This is a much more friendly board for OC than the Intel BadAxe, for instance, that will not recover from any failed OC without a full power down and sometimes a CMOS clear.
The ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe also fully supports dual X8 CrossFire. The Enthusiast wanting to overclock Conroe as far as possible or anyone wanting to run ATI multi-GPU on an Intel chipset will be very happy with the P5W-DH. We liked the board enough that it became our new standard board for our DDR2 memory testing platform.
Overclocking
| ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe Overclocking Testbed |
|
| Processor: | Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Dual Core, 2.67GHz, 4MB Unified Cache 1066FSB, 10x Multiplier |
| CPU Voltage: | 1.525V (default 1.2V) |
| Cooling: | Tuniq Tower 120 Air Cooling |
| Power Supply: | OCZ GameXstream 700W |
| Memory: | Corsair Twin2X2048-PC2-8500C5 (2x1GB) (Micron Memory Chips) |
| Hard Drive | Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB Cache |
| Maximum OC: (Standard Ratio) |
400x10 4000MHz (+50%) |
The decision was reached to evaluate motherboards with the E6700 (2.67) processor, as it represents the mid-range of Conroe pricing. Of course, all Conroe processors except for the top X6800 are multiplier locked, which limits options in overclocking. Like Socket 478 that does not appear a huge handicap, since the stock E6700 reached a 50% overclock at 4.0 GHz. Our new OC test bed uses an excellent air cooler in the Tuniq Tower, and you are likely to experience lower overclocks with stock cooling.
The ASUS P5W-DH also reached 4.0GHz with an X6800 (stock 266 x15 at 1.575V) and an E6600 at 445FSB x 9x multiplier. All of these results are outstanding, representing overclocks at stock ratio as high as 67%.
With the wide range of adjustable memory ratios and voltages, memory was set to end up somewhere around DDR2-800 3-3-3-9 at 2.2V. This is really easy with the ASUS P5W-DH BIOS, since the BIOS shows the resulting memory speed when you adjust the FSB speed. This means you don't have to calculate the resulting memory speed when trying to set up a rational overclock, which is a really convenient feature for most enthusiasts.
Overclocking is always dependent on the chip you have and the capabilities of the motherboard. Processors vary in their OC abilities, and OC is never a given. However, we are confident that wherever you can go with your CPU it is not likely the ASUS P5W-DH Deluxe will be holding back your overclocking efforts.
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Gary Key - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
We are looking forward to the value SLI boards in early August. Prices will range on average from $95 to $120. As soon as we can post a review up on these boards, it will be done. :)EODetroit - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Can Anandtech max out the memory and make sure these systems are stable in 64 bit Windows OS'? I'd really like to make sure that there's no time bombs if I buy 8GB of ram that will force me to RMA a lot of stuff. If you don't have 2GB sticks, at least test with 4x1GB. The motherboards advertise that they support 8GB, but no one ever seems to check them on it. If Anandtech could do that, it would be a great help.Thanks!
Genx87 - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Not bad for an older chipset to win the SLI benchmarks.I am curious what the new chipset can do!
supremelaw - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Dear Gary and Wesley,I'm thinking back to about 8 months ago,
when we first started assembling our
ASUS P5WD2 Premium motherboard
(which has recently become our primary
production machine).
We offered our assistance at the ASUS
User Forum, because a LOT of users
were stumbling over the IT8211F IDE
controller, which requires a device driver
to be extracted from the Support CD.
I fear that P965 motherboards are headed
for the same serious problems, particularly
if motherboards add an on-board IDE
controller that is NOT "native" e.g. JMicron.
Here's the scenario: a less-than-expert
user sees a PATA IDE port, and thinks
he can use (or recycle) a PATA optical
drive to run Windows Setup. And, he's
probably read (or heard) the stories about
SATA optical drives that just don't work
with Windows Setup.
Is this user headed for major problems?
I think so.
And here's why ...
If the BIOS has not been modified to
support native PATA / IDE optical devices,
a Catch-22 results: you need the device
driver from the Support CD, but you can't
read the Support CD without the device
driver -- not if the optical device is wired
to that on-board IDE controller.
If you want confirmation of this problem,
check out the ASUS User Forum for the
P5WD2 Premium, particularly the numerous
complaints Users were posting about the
ITE IT8211F on-board IDE controller.
To make this problem even more exasperating,
the User Manual failed to mention that the
F6 sequence will load the ITE driver during
Windows Setup, BUT one can STILL not
run Windows Setup from an optical drive
wired to that ITE controller. The device driver
can be added AFTER Windows XP is
successfully installed.
Fortunately, the P5WD2 Premium has a
BLUE native IDE port as well, and we
avoided all of these problems by running
Windows Setup from a PATA optical drive
wired to that BLUE native IDE port.
Thanks for all the great reviews!
Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell
Webmaster, Supreme Law Library
http://www.supremelaw.org/">http://www.supremelaw.org/
Gary Key - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Hi Paul,The scenario you listed is a very real possibility and as you have noted has existed in past boards. In fact, I was on the phone with Wes when our first P965 was fired up and the Optical Drive was not recognized. Of course, I had a few choice words to say about the situation. The only way to load the new OS image and Driver CD was through the Optical drive and that was not going to happen in this case. I ended up loading a new image on a drive in another system, installing the inf and network drivers in a folder, and then moving this drive to the new machine. The issue was a very early bios that did not support the hooks from the external IDE chipset into the ICH8. We received an updated bios a few days later and all was well from that point forward.
Since Intel has basically left a "lane" open in the ICH8 to support IDE (much in the same way as the LAN controller logic, being real simple here to keep it short), then the only issue is to ensure the bios has support for the IDE link. We have not seen this issue at all in the latest boards that we have received and have been told it will not occur in shipping boards. While most suppliers are going with the JMicron solution, Biostar included the VIA VT6410 that turned out to offer excellent performance in our upcoming storage tests. I hope this helps and thank you for your comments today.
:)
Andy4504 - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
I was most surprized by the poor BadAxe (X975XBX) Overclocking. Because the memory controller isn't directly tied to the FSB speeds, the fact that you cannot incrase the memory voltage without hardware modification should make little / no difference in CPU overclocking.I personally own a X975XBX with an 805D. I've found that the best overclocking isn't done by selecting +30% OR + any percent for that matter, but rather choosing the higher bus speed, then selecting an underclock from that higher speed.
With full access to the memory multiplier range, most any ratio could be set.
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
Conroe runs at 1066 FSB speed. 1333 support has been in and out of the different BIOS revisions. So with Conroe you can select no higher bus speed at worst, or a modest 1333 at best. 805D runs at 533 (166 quad) so you have differnt options. It really isn't possible to select higher bus speeds and clock down with Conroe on the BadAxe.Paladin165 - Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - link
In the review you mention that the 7600GT would work with the cheap ASrock board, I was thinking about going with this setup (if another ultra-cheap board doesn't come out soon). I was wondering, how much impact would the 4x PCIex speed have on the 7600GT? Are there any situations where it would choke off performance? Does it provide enough power?This cheap board seems like a good buy because new motherboards are going to be coming out so rapidly over the next six months it doesn't make sense to drop $250 on a bleeding-edge board.
Gary Key - Thursday, July 20, 2006 - link
The 7600GT works fine. I am trying to procure a 7600GS PCIe and AGP cards to directly compare the video performance on the board. Hopefully, I will have both cards before the full review goes up. We also have two other ASRock boards that are under $75 arriving shortly. I think the performance with the 7600GT will be fine unless you like to play Oblivion and even with the PCIe x4 interface you will not notice a real difference with this card.Paladin165 - Thursday, July 20, 2006 - link
"I think the performance with the 7600GT will be fine unless you like to play Oblivion"!!!
Oblivion is exactly what I want to play! What is it about this setup that hurts Oblivion performance?