Intel P35: Intel's Mainstream Chipset Grows Up
by Gary Key & Wesley Fink on May 21, 2007 3:45 PM EST- Posted in
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Final Words
The P965 launch is still too fresh in our memory to ignore. It appeared the roughest launch in recent Intel memory with a BIOS a day, and sometimes several a day, in the early going. Many of the features did not work, or at least did not work consistently until several months of BIOS updates. While the hard work has paid off for manufacturers and P965 is now a capable chipset, it is still not the paragon of reliability that we normally expect of Intel chipsets.Contrast that to today's performance launch of P35, and the differences are striking. P35 is very mature at launch and is generally a joy to work with. That is not to say it is perfect, as manufacturers are still scrambling to fully support all the new added features of the chipset. The base performance, however, is stable, and P35 returns us to the confidence we normally feel for Intel chipsets.
Some will say this is the result of the fact that P35 is just a mild upgrade of P965, fixing what is wrong with that chipset. We don't agree, since features like 1333 processor bus and support for DDR3 memory to 1333 speed and beyond are significant additions that definitely impact performance. Also significant is full support for the upcoming 45nm Penryn processors. As you have seen in the P35 benchmarks these are not just minor "fixes" - they are features that have a significant impact in improving system performance. No doubt Intel did tweak the base P965 code in the process, and we are grateful for that, but P35 introduces too much new that improves performance to just be considered a respin.
Looking at the four motherboards evaluated in this launch review, it is clear that all of the boards are very good with existing features like memory to DDR2-1066 and the current 1066 processor bus. However, when we move into the new performance areas of 1333 processor bus, DDR3, and 1333 memory speed, the ASUS P5K3 and P5K twins have the edge over the Gigabyte and MSI offerings. The MSI and Gigabyte are very good boards, and BIOS updates received during testing have us expecting them to be the equal of the ASUS boards in another BIOS spin or two. In fact, the Gigabyte BIOS received this weekend moves the P35 DQ6 into performance parity with the ASUS boards in early testing. For now, however, the ASUS pair is more polished in their implementation.
You will not, however, have to suffer with the Gigabyte or MSI as they both perform exceptionally well with the components we now have. Any of the four platforms will provide a rock solid base for a new system, performing better than just about any P965 board we have tested. You will not have to struggle with these P35 boards as many of you did with early P965. We also fully expect the Gigabyte and MSI to mature quickly in the "added features and refinement" category of P35.
What we did find in testing the P35 boards is that BIOS tuning is paramount to extracting the best possible performance from each board. ASUS's BIOS is very mature at this point and the extra features like Transaction Booster and CPU Voltage Damper actually make a difference in the performance of the board. We have also noticed the manufacturers starting to open up the BIOS with settings that will greatly assist the enthusiast in extracting the best possible performance from this chipset. However, we would still like to see the ability to change chipset straps and additional memory settings in the high-end P35 products.
Overall performance of the P35 chipset was impressive with it constantly finishing at the top of our benchmarks. Even though the differences in scores were minimal at times, the level of consistency shown by this chipset was impressive. The addition of DDR3 memory support, the improved memory controller, and the upcoming 1333FSB processors indicate that this mainstream chipset is a force to be reckoned with both with today's components and those on the horizon.
In current games like Prey we found a 9% increase in frame rates between the ASUS P5K3 at 1333/1333 and the Gigabyte P35-DQ6 at 1066/1066. Granted, the move to a 1333 FSB provided about a 6% improvement in frame rates on the DDR2 platform. However, once lower latency DDR3-1333 is available we expect the combination of this memory and the switch to 1333FSB processors to possibly create double-digit improvements in applications that are memory bandwidth and latency sensitive. Our main concern at this time is the cost and lack of widespread availability for DDR3 memory. Latency and speed improvements are developing quickly for DDR3 but cost appears to be the biggest stumbling block for entry into this technology now. Hopefully this will not be an issue six months from now as DDR3 ramps up in both production and system installs at major OEMs.
The ICH9R brings improved disk performance and in early RAID 5 and 10 testing we are seeing a 2% ~ 4% improvement in certain applications when compared to the ICH8R. The ICH9 also blesses us with an additional two USB ports and improved performance. Typical benchmarks like HD Tach or HD Tune do not show a difference in USB performance over the ICH8R currently; however, we are seeing measurable improvements in write and read speeds under Vista when comparing the two chipsets and a few minor compatibility issues seemed to have been solved. While not up to the speed of NVIDIA's USB solution, it is nice to see Intel making incremental improvements quickly.
We have explained the benefits of the chipset and provided an early look at its performance potential. What are the drawbacks? The P35 performance is impressive and the chipset along with the first wave of boards seem to be very solid. The problem is the cost of entry might be more than one is willing to spend to upgrade from a recently purchased P965, 680i, 650i, or even 975X board. Power consumption was a concern for us. Based on the current chipset TDP ratings we expected the power envelope to be near the P965 or possibly improved depending upon how aggressive Intel implemented power saving features on this chipset. Instead, we end up with a chipset that now consumes more power than the 680i and requires even more elaborate cooling. Something the motherboard companies have obviously taken to heart by the amount of heat pipes on the boards now. We doubt all of it is really needed but it is amusing for the time being to see the manufacturers trying to outdo each other in both design and amount of aluminum they can squeeze into a three inch square space.
There is no doubt after testing P35 that it is clearly the best-performing chipset you can buy today. Intel has done an excellent job in the added features, and performance is superb. P35 is at its best in gaming and memory-intensive applications, where the performance improvements are most dramatic. If you are building a new system there is a lot to like with P35, and it all starts with improved performance.
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Wesley Fink - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
Early boards will be expensive, just like always. The prices will likely drop to the same levels as current P965 boards they replace, with a broad range for P35 boards from basic to "Asus Commando" level gaming boards. It is too early to be discouraged.Comdrpopnfresh - Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - link
I'm willing to bet we'll see them replacing the older boards quickly too. If intel and other manufacturers really want DDR3 to go through, you'll see DDR2 boards disappearing quickly. Its like what happened to s939. Basically the same chips were used for AM2, but the boards and chips quickly dried up and disappeared. The same can be said or PCI-e. In the beginning there wasn't much of a real world benefit, just the theoretical bandwidth increase. Because developments in AGP ceased, we might never know if the switch was necessary.Comdrpopnfresh - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
If something other than NAND flash could be used, it would be very interesting to see a pci-e 1x board that can house DDR2 memory for use in turbo memory. That way, when people upgrade their ~35 boards to DDR3 when performance and price changes, the DDR2 can be used further. This would make a lot of sense too, because unlike Gigabyte's i-RAM device and logical ramdrives, the high speed, low latency properties of RAM could be used for turbo memory as a way around the 8gb limit of RAM on these cards. And since they are not used for storage, merely access, no redundancy on power supply is needed as with the i-RAM. Someone should start development on this...Comdrpopnfresh - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
Why would the TDP on the P35 higher if it has no integrated video? Will third-party manufactures implement their own SLI into the P35 given that the reference model only had on x16 pci-e slot? Also, when can we expect to see pci-e2 and more than 4 dimm slots on intel mobos?yacoub - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
Including a jumper to change the strap setting for the fsb is a nice feature on the MSi board. A little disappointed in the memory comparison test that that board had the lowest bandwidth and most latency. Is that something BIOS updates can improve or is that generally hardware (i.e. board design related)?Gary Key - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
It is all BIOS tuning in regards to the MSI board. Our first results with the board had the memory performance being equal to the 945P boards. Two BIOS releases later and the improvements have been remarkable. I think MSI is about two BIOS spins behind ASUS and Gigabyte now. Gigabyte finally caught up but ASUS still has the better feature set and options in my opinion.michal1980 - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
hardocp, seems to take a 180 different outlook on these boards. so werid.skaterdude - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
What's so weird? Kyle is an extension of AMD's marketing department. He has not cared for Intel in a very long time, at least since he was caught cheating on some Intel benchmarks and was hung out to dry for it. Personally, it is alright to have a favorite company to root for but to do so in such an open and bias way is wrong if you are not running a company specific website. I would not have an issue at all if it was called HardAMD, at least you know what you are viewing is not tainted by free trips, booze, products, and general hostility against a company.
Back on subject....The P35 is a nice upgrade and it may not set the world on fire but it appears Intel listened and improved on a chipset they could have let ride for a lot longer. DDR3 will be interesting and at least the kinks will be worked out by the time X38 and the new processors get here. If I had not already bought a 965 board then P35 would have been the one. I am still miffed about not having a native IDE port as JMicron just plain sucks most of the time.
strikeback03 - Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - link
the P35 does not have native IDE either, and why use an IDE drive anyway?Spoelie - Monday, May 21, 2007 - link
ahum, AMD biased? After reading some of their recent gpu reviews, I thought it was the other way around... Check yourselfanyway, not a worthy upgrade, but a worthy new board. Which is what you could reasonably expect.