My experience with the "Genius Bar"
by Anand Lal Shimpi on February 23, 2006 3:09 PM EST- Posted in
- Anand
I haven't posted about my Mac experiences in quite a while, mostly because there's very little that's new to report. I've been using Macs and PCs together for about a year and a half now with no real complaints. The reason for this "Macdate" however is because of a new experience involving Vinney's iMac G5.
Around the release of the first iMac G5s Vinney picked one up to replace her aging desktop. She adjusted to the OS without a hitch and began using it as her main computer, alongside her Thinkpad notebook. As with all iMacs her machine carried a 1-year warranty, which happened to expire in December of 2005. And of course in February of 2006, her iMac started having some problems.
She'd get random hard locks on the machine, regardless of what she was doing. They were relatively isolated at first so I just thought it might have been a software issue, but when they started to become more frequent then I began to wonder if it was indeed a hardware problem. I tossed in the Apple Hardware Test disc that came with the machine and booted off of it. Apple's Hardware Test is a basic diagnostic program that's included with all Apple hardware and it'll do a reasonable job of telling you whether or not you've got a hardware error. Unfortunately in the case of Vinney's iMac, the test gave me a SATA error - which I took to mean that either her drive was dying or, far more likely, that there was a problem with the on-board SATA controller.
The first thing I tried was swapping out the SATA drive; since I tend to have a decent amount of spare hardware, this wasn't hard to do ;) With a new hard drive in the machine I gave Apple's Hardware Test another try and unfortunately I still got the same SATA error. I inspected the motherboard for blown or leaky capacitors, which was a problem on some of the earlier iMac G5s but the board looked clean with no bulging caps. And although I do have a lot of spare hardware, that doesn't include an iMac G5 motherboard, so it was off to the Apple store.
Inside every Apple Store is a Genius Bar, it's something I've seen every time I've gone in and something I've always heard of but never something I've ever interacted with. I walked in with Vinney's iMac and immediately I was greeted by some Apple folks asking me what I needed. I told them I needed a repair and one guy kindly took the iMac G5 while another took me over to one of the Macs at the store to make an appointment at the Genius Bar.
I didn't know that you needed an appointment to see someone at the Genius Bar, but you can make one from any of the machines in the store. Just click on the little Concierge button on any desktop and you can input your name and whether you'd like help with an iPod or Mac problem. In this particular store, the list of people waiting to speak to a "genius" is displayed on a LCD screen above the Genius Bar itself. It's a nice little system that makes you feel like they are actually helping people rather than sticking your name at the end of some list you never see.
The concept of the Genius Bar is quite interesting - if you've got a problem with your Mac or iPod, you schedule an appointment either at the store or online and you can talk to someone about it in person, free of charge. If it's something that needs to be repaired, they will repair it for you (and if you're covered under warranty then there's no charge), or if it's just teaching you how to do something then they will also do that. The latter part is particularly interesting to me because it's so much easier to tell someone to go talk to one of the "geniuses" at the Genius Bar when they have a computer problem rather than being the tech support to everyone you know. And since they only work on Apple hardware, their consultation at least is free. From what I could tell, if it's a software question you don't actually have to bring in your computer as they will show you how to do things on a machine that they've got setup at the bar.
I grabbed a seat at the Genius Bar and quietly waited for my turn in line. There were only a few people ahead of me in line, one lady had some keys broken off her PowerBook, another lady was trying to reproduce a system crash on her son's notebook and the person directly ahead of me in the queue had a software question about getting images off of his CF card and into iPhoto. In every case the "genius" helping the customers was very kind and courteous and did a reasonable job, my only complaint here is that there was inevitably some subtle Mac zealotry shining through. I'd hear comments about how doing something would "blow up" your computer if you had a PC or how the Intel iMacs aren't actually lower power than the iMac G5s. It was frustrating but I'm sure you hear the same kind of stuff on the other side about Macs so no one's perfect :)
Eventually it became my turn, I explained to the genius (yes, his shirt actually said genius on it) what the problem was and what I thought was the culprit. Mentioning that I had already run the Apple Hardware Test appeared to speed things up; he took the machine in the back, confirmed that it has problems and then told me that since it was out of warranty that I'd have to order a new logic board. The problem with authorized Apple repairs is that they don't just replace one component, in this case they'd replace the entire motherboard - including the costly G5 CPU. The price? Around $800 - not to mention that you can buy a brand new iMac for a few hundred more.
Luckily the genius I was working with was quite nice and tried to get the repair covered under warranty, since there were motherboard issues on this particular line of iMacs. The clause that would get my machine covered was intended to be for bad capacitors, but the guy got Vinney's system covered anyways despite the fact that I mentioned the caps didn't seem to be the problem.
If I couldn't get it done under warranty, the genius did recommend going to a 3rd party repair center simply because the cost of this particular repair is admittedly ridiculous.
I have heard quite a few negative things about the first model of a lot of Apple hardware, which is honestly a bit surprising to me since this stuff isn't manufactured by Apple. I know ASUS makes a lot of their machines (mostly notebooks) but so does Quanta, and I don't know in particular who's responsible for the iMac G5s. ASUS generally makes some quality stuff, which is why I'd be very surprised if the problem was because of them.
The high cost of out-of-warranty repairs aside, I was fairly impressed with the Genius Bar experience. While I personally prefer to handle this stuff myself, it is great for those who aren't as interested or experienced with computer repairs and troubleshooting. The Genius Bar is even better for you if you find yourself providing tech support for every person you know. Just tell them to get a Mac and send them to the Genius Bar for any questions, it's as easy as that :)
Around the release of the first iMac G5s Vinney picked one up to replace her aging desktop. She adjusted to the OS without a hitch and began using it as her main computer, alongside her Thinkpad notebook. As with all iMacs her machine carried a 1-year warranty, which happened to expire in December of 2005. And of course in February of 2006, her iMac started having some problems.
She'd get random hard locks on the machine, regardless of what she was doing. They were relatively isolated at first so I just thought it might have been a software issue, but when they started to become more frequent then I began to wonder if it was indeed a hardware problem. I tossed in the Apple Hardware Test disc that came with the machine and booted off of it. Apple's Hardware Test is a basic diagnostic program that's included with all Apple hardware and it'll do a reasonable job of telling you whether or not you've got a hardware error. Unfortunately in the case of Vinney's iMac, the test gave me a SATA error - which I took to mean that either her drive was dying or, far more likely, that there was a problem with the on-board SATA controller.
The first thing I tried was swapping out the SATA drive; since I tend to have a decent amount of spare hardware, this wasn't hard to do ;) With a new hard drive in the machine I gave Apple's Hardware Test another try and unfortunately I still got the same SATA error. I inspected the motherboard for blown or leaky capacitors, which was a problem on some of the earlier iMac G5s but the board looked clean with no bulging caps. And although I do have a lot of spare hardware, that doesn't include an iMac G5 motherboard, so it was off to the Apple store.
Inside every Apple Store is a Genius Bar, it's something I've seen every time I've gone in and something I've always heard of but never something I've ever interacted with. I walked in with Vinney's iMac and immediately I was greeted by some Apple folks asking me what I needed. I told them I needed a repair and one guy kindly took the iMac G5 while another took me over to one of the Macs at the store to make an appointment at the Genius Bar.
I didn't know that you needed an appointment to see someone at the Genius Bar, but you can make one from any of the machines in the store. Just click on the little Concierge button on any desktop and you can input your name and whether you'd like help with an iPod or Mac problem. In this particular store, the list of people waiting to speak to a "genius" is displayed on a LCD screen above the Genius Bar itself. It's a nice little system that makes you feel like they are actually helping people rather than sticking your name at the end of some list you never see.
The concept of the Genius Bar is quite interesting - if you've got a problem with your Mac or iPod, you schedule an appointment either at the store or online and you can talk to someone about it in person, free of charge. If it's something that needs to be repaired, they will repair it for you (and if you're covered under warranty then there's no charge), or if it's just teaching you how to do something then they will also do that. The latter part is particularly interesting to me because it's so much easier to tell someone to go talk to one of the "geniuses" at the Genius Bar when they have a computer problem rather than being the tech support to everyone you know. And since they only work on Apple hardware, their consultation at least is free. From what I could tell, if it's a software question you don't actually have to bring in your computer as they will show you how to do things on a machine that they've got setup at the bar.
I grabbed a seat at the Genius Bar and quietly waited for my turn in line. There were only a few people ahead of me in line, one lady had some keys broken off her PowerBook, another lady was trying to reproduce a system crash on her son's notebook and the person directly ahead of me in the queue had a software question about getting images off of his CF card and into iPhoto. In every case the "genius" helping the customers was very kind and courteous and did a reasonable job, my only complaint here is that there was inevitably some subtle Mac zealotry shining through. I'd hear comments about how doing something would "blow up" your computer if you had a PC or how the Intel iMacs aren't actually lower power than the iMac G5s. It was frustrating but I'm sure you hear the same kind of stuff on the other side about Macs so no one's perfect :)
Eventually it became my turn, I explained to the genius (yes, his shirt actually said genius on it) what the problem was and what I thought was the culprit. Mentioning that I had already run the Apple Hardware Test appeared to speed things up; he took the machine in the back, confirmed that it has problems and then told me that since it was out of warranty that I'd have to order a new logic board. The problem with authorized Apple repairs is that they don't just replace one component, in this case they'd replace the entire motherboard - including the costly G5 CPU. The price? Around $800 - not to mention that you can buy a brand new iMac for a few hundred more.
Luckily the genius I was working with was quite nice and tried to get the repair covered under warranty, since there were motherboard issues on this particular line of iMacs. The clause that would get my machine covered was intended to be for bad capacitors, but the guy got Vinney's system covered anyways despite the fact that I mentioned the caps didn't seem to be the problem.
If I couldn't get it done under warranty, the genius did recommend going to a 3rd party repair center simply because the cost of this particular repair is admittedly ridiculous.
I have heard quite a few negative things about the first model of a lot of Apple hardware, which is honestly a bit surprising to me since this stuff isn't manufactured by Apple. I know ASUS makes a lot of their machines (mostly notebooks) but so does Quanta, and I don't know in particular who's responsible for the iMac G5s. ASUS generally makes some quality stuff, which is why I'd be very surprised if the problem was because of them.
The high cost of out-of-warranty repairs aside, I was fairly impressed with the Genius Bar experience. While I personally prefer to handle this stuff myself, it is great for those who aren't as interested or experienced with computer repairs and troubleshooting. The Genius Bar is even better for you if you find yourself providing tech support for every person you know. Just tell them to get a Mac and send them to the Genius Bar for any questions, it's as easy as that :)
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aggie02 - Friday, February 24, 2006 - link
I'd like to see some benchmarks of the new dual core Pentium D 805 (2.66ghz). I know it's not going to be super fast but hey...IT'S $145 at newegg. How about some comparisons with its faster siblings ( pD 820, 830, 840) or its distant cousins (Athlon X2) ?mlittl3 - Friday, February 24, 2006 - link
Uh, what!?JAS - Friday, February 24, 2006 - link
I've owned various Macs since 1988 and not experienced hardware problems with any of them. (I even have an SE/30 in a closet that still works!) Apple hardware tends to keep on ticking even into obsolescence.My first trip to the Genius Bar happened last week when one of two Airport Express base stations that I purchased a year ago stopped working. I think its power supply might be fried.
There were two "geniuses" on duty at the Bar when I arrived late in the afternoon. My wait was under five minutes. I provided a quick description of the problem. The genius inquired when I purchased the Airport but did not request to see the receipt that I had in my hand. He filled out a repair request form on his iMac G5, printed me a copy, and explained that a "repair part" would arrive in three to five business days. I thought this was an odd approach since the Airport Express is essentially a self-contained unit with no apparent openings to access the inside. Why not simply give me a new unit from the 50 or so that were sitting on a store shelf?
I received a voicemail two business days later saying that the part was in. I returned to the Apple Store with the defective product. Although there were several people ahead of me in line, one of the geniuses invited anyone picking up hardware to come forward. He opened a plain brown carton that contained a new Airport Express minus its little AC power plug. This was the "part," apparently. Then, he transplanted the AC plug from my defective Airport to the new one, placed the newly assembled unit inside my original box, and sent me on my way in under a few minutes.
So, this was a positive customer service experience -- perhaps a 9 on a scale of 1 to 10 -- and certainly much better than how I've been treated by most other companies.
UlricT - Thursday, February 23, 2006 - link
Coincidentally, I made my first visit to an apple genius bar this week as well, but just went with a friend who wanted to upgrade the memory on his 15" Powerbook G4, and to fix an erratic trackpad.We had got a stick of DDR2 ram (non-apple) from bestbuy, and took it to the guy (genius?) at the counter. He immediately said that he would not be able to lend any advice or even tools to change/upgrade the ram. We asked him to ensure that the machine was at least compatible with DDR2, and he assured us several times, after checking both the RAM and the machine, that it was indeed compatible. We decided to get him to look at the trackpad, and after making sure it was not a software issue (netboot), he said that they would be able to repair the machine in 24hrs. So we leave the machine there...
We come back in 2 days, and pick up the machine. I try to upgrade the memory, and guess what? The machine has DDR PC2700 ram inside. So the RAM was a no-go, even after all those assurances from the "genius". To cap it all off, the trackpad has been having the same problems again.
Sorry about the long post but visiting the genius bar did not leave a very good aftertaste.
Commodus - Thursday, February 23, 2006 - link
The reason many (not all) Mac users are leery of 1st-revision Apple hardware isn't who makes it, but because Apple will often have a relatively experimental design that, however neat it is, has quirks that Apple couldn't/didn't detect in testing. For example, the first 12" PowerBook G4 model in 2003 had a left palmrest that got overly hot, and it turned out that Apple needed to rethink the internal cooling to solve that problem. They did, and Rev B onwards was great.Ecmaster76 - Thursday, February 23, 2006 - link
And I thought PC notebook repairs were lucrative...