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  • jjj - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Is Cannon Lake alive though? Intel confirmed today that 10nm was pushed to 2019 so got to wonder if they don't skip Cannon Lake.
  • jjj - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Intel also confirmed Whiskey Lake this year in client.
  • HStewart - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    To me this sounds like Canon Lake is coming this year and not just low power cpus - but in higher end models
  • jjj - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    Cannon Lake is on 10nm and 10nm has been delayed to 2019, Intel wouldn't even say if first half or second half.
  • edzieba - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link

    10nm VOLUME is delayed due to yield issues. That doesn't rule out low volume shipping such as very small dies (e.g. the Cannon Lake 2+0 dies that shipped last year), or very high margin big dies (as Nvidia did with GP100 and GV100).
  • Duncan Macdonald - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    The name is an invitation to confusion as AMD already have an X399 chipset for their Threadripper processors. I know that Intel and AMD are competitors but is a little bit of courtesy like not using the same name for chipsets too much to ask for.
  • plopke - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    ;p they did change the usual B350 to B360 at least , but you could argue
    1)keep naming scheme that they always used
    2)rename everything because AMD renamed all their chips in almost the same way as intel but one version ahead
  • cosmotic - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    I would place the blame on AMD here. X399 is clearly within the established Intel X series pattern; they likely tried to make it look like they were ahead of Intel on the 'same technology'. What a nefarious move on AMD's part.
  • Samus - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    True. AMD has been hijacking GPU, CPU, and now recently chipset series designations from the competition for awhile.

    I get there are only so many ways you can series a product. But ever since the GCN R7/R9 series starting at 2xx, they've effectively taken the space once occupied by nVidia (for better or worse) and I still laugh when I see 480 and 580 because to the older crowd, those series designations are grossly dated. It really wouldn't be that hard to do what Sony does with the Xperia phones and just have RX1, RX3, RX5, etc. Then next generation RZ1, RZ3, RZ5, etc. Then next generation RZ1+, RZ3+, RZ5+, etc. Endless possibilities, uniquely different, no confusion or comical throwbacks to nearly 10 year old GPU's.

    The CPU and chipset game could have also been set uniquely apart from Intel. First of all, the name Ryzen sucks. It's just downright dumb. AMD should have stuck with their roots and used the names Athlon and even Duron for the iGPU models with Vega graphics. Their overall CPU naming scheme has been terrible since the Phenom debut and as someone who works in IT it's torture to talk to normal people about this.

    The chipsets shouldn't even be chipsets; it should be identified by it's socket, then the features of the chipset. B350 boards could simply be called AM4B, X390 boards couldn't simply be called AM4X, and the 4xx series could just be called AM4B+, AM4X+, and so on. For the inevitable 6xx series (because AMD isn't going to listen to me and take all of this good, free advice I'm writing here) they could just make a new socket (which they will probably have too when they go to 7nm because the associated voltage drop will require substantially different routing and they are likely to need more pins for the increase in interconnects) they would repeat the process with AM5B, AM5X, and so on.

    This is all so easy to clean up. Don't even get me started on why they decided to call the Ryzen 2nd gen CPU's 2xxx series instead of 1xxx series when they aren't really 2nd gen parts, just a refresh. Granted Intel is guilty as hell of this too (exactly how many 5th Gen Core parts were even made, ESPECIALLY on the desktop platform!) The process and manufacturing changes should just have a + or a 4th digit change, is i5-4305U instead of the i5-5300U, because the times they do this only seem to identify Crystalwell GPU's and that was really dumb...now at least they (Intel) get's it and uses a G to designate a performance GPU in the GPU.

    Ugg. Marketing fails.
  • Ket_MANIAC - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    You know, there is not one bit of credibility in all the stuff that you wrote, except maybe the GPU part. Who said AMD's gonna change sockets? What part of 2020 do you not understand? Granted Ryzen looks like its name was chosen by Lisa Su's daughter and Threadripper by a hormonal teen but they have done their part. As for your AM4B and AM4X naming schemes, they are limited to just 2 generations. What about the 3rd cycle of chipsets? AM4-? 4th? AM4*? Are we going full retard with arithmetic? And who said chipset names were governed by their sockets? Your own logic is flawed to the ground. You say Ryzen 2nd gen products, yet you have an issue with the 2000 naming scheme. This is CPU 2nd gen, not architecture 2nd gen. AMD isn't using names like Sandy Bridge for arch and Ivy for improvement and I think no one really has any issue with it unless you go about looking for it.
    And of all the companies you could have taken support of for stupid naming schemes, you come to Intel? Lol God! I will refrain from saying anything because with all due respect sir, you clearly are not familiar with anything Intel except for maybe the "Bridge" or "Lake" in you desktop and a "U" series processor with an "iGPU" in your laptop. And I am happy for you. May you never get lost in Intel's "fantastic" and "transparent as GPP" naming scheme.
  • just4U - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    " I still laugh when I see 480 and 580 because to the older crowd, those series designations are grossly dated."
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    Not sure why as can be seen Nvidia and AMD basically just switched numbering is all.. One dropping a 0 the other adopting it.. been that way since the 8800series.
  • HStewart - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    So is calling Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 similar in conjunction with i5 and i7
  • just4U - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    Yep.. it is similar. I actually prefer it that way (personally..) makes it easier to explain to people who do not know much (.. or care) about hardware.
  • HStewart - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link

    Yeah, they could call Ryzen i5 and Ryzen i7 to really confused the customers. But people are not as Naïve as AMD and there associated fans want you believe. That is why they have the stickers on laptops and boxes to mark off the fakes ( AMD ) from the real ( Intel ).

    Of course there are customers that want AMD because they have been persuaded that Intel is evil and that AMD this is savior of the electronic industry - but intelligent people can see a false leader when look closer.

    Of course the AMD lovers are very dirty and try stuff spreading information about Meltdown/Spectre across the internet and such. But the real reason is they want to distract people from by Intel.
  • dgingeri - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Looks to me like Z390 is likely just the consumer enthusiast version of the Q370, and would have been the Z370 if they hadn't had to rush out the early Coffee Lake CPUs to compete with Ryzen. It looks like it will just be a Z370 with USB 3.1 gen2 integrated. No big deal.
  • Ej24 - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Wow so Z370 owners are stuck on coffee lake. Z390 will be compatible with both coffee and cannon lake? Am I reading that right?
  • Flunk - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    Yeah, just like last time Intel did this.
  • Samus - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    They've been marrying CPU generations to chipset generations for awhile now. Look how many people got burned with the 80-series during Haswell, only to be told they should upgrade to the 90-series to support Broadwell (which never really materialized) then were essentially promised Skylake would be supported on the 90-series before Intel realized they would need to change the pin layout do to dropping the FIVR (and lets be honest, they knew, they just lied because it was easy.)
  • edzieba - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    No you appear to have made that up out of whole cloth. It's a 300 series PCH, so it will support the same as other 300 series PCHs. Just as every Intel platform release for the last decade.
  • mkaibear - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    Wut? It specifically says in that first image that it will support Cannon Lake and Coffee Lake CPUs...
  • Kwarkon - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    Not exactly. It just states that it adds support for the rest of 300 series PCH.
    Z370 was already introduced in earlier version.

    Generally CPU data is quite a bit inconsistent. Look at the x399, supposedly CNL/CFL but with note "only SKL-X support" ... makes no sense.
    Or for 200 series where only KBL is mentioned, but I think SKL works as well.
  • ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link

    "is a little bit of courtesy like not using the same name for chipsets too much to ask for."
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    or using the same engineers?

    or killing whatever remained of the personal computer?

    or.....

    Oh yeah, we know what happens if we say too much
  • crimson117 - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    "Intel's 300-Series and 240-Series PCHs" table does not include Z370 for some reason, although "Intel's 300-series PCH" table just below does.
  • Kwarkon - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    because its more of "introduced support for the rest of 300 series PCH"
    while z370 was introduced in earlier version.
  • peevee - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link

    6w EVEN ON THE PATHETIC h310?

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