LG has never recovered since the bootloop scandal with G3/G4 series. I'm not surprised if they are out of the market soon with not much innovations and poor quality reputation.
They also refused to increase battery capacity even though LG fans wanted that. The battery is no longer removable even though LG fans loved that. They added the retarded notch that NOBODY wanted (an LG rep hosted an AMA about notches on reddit before the G7 came out and subsequently deleted it after almost all the comments were against notches.) I'm just waiting for them to remove the headphone jack and in exchange give the ability to unlock the phone with one's ass.
The last couple of years have not been kind to any phone manufacturer. Handset upgrades have declined significantly as people use existing phones for longer than in the past. I think they're tired of the drumbeat of new phones and are not seeing much reason to move to the latest. Costs have gone up, headphone jacks are absent from a number of newer models, batteries can no longer be easily replaced, and performance increases are not yielding a better user experience. OEMs are tossing mud against the wall with gimmicks like folding screens, a plurality of camera sensors, and notches that people simply do not care about given the price penalty needed to obtain them.
Doesn't help that subsidies have dried up. Used to be able to get all sorts of good deals and these days they're usually *with trade-in. With trade-in values less than you could get on ebay or swappa. I'm much more okay with waiting 6-9 months into a phones life to pick up deals than I used to be since they're useful life is so much longer.
I'd say Apple is doing OK. And I'd say that your bundling a random collection of gripes that, viewed superficially, apply as much to Apple as to struggling manufacturers, shows a serious lack of interest in actually understanding the subject. Is the problem a notch or is it a lack of accompanying benefit (instant, highly performant, FaceID)? Is the problem a lack of headphone jack, or a lack of accompanying benefit (well-performing, easy to use, bluetooth headphones)?
Your link is outdated by how long? 5 months? Literally the link is 2 months after it's release. Of course it shows strong sales, although even in your own link, it's flat. It's just higher revenue, cause the thing costs more.
Apple iphone sales are lower than expected and to prop it back up, they'd resorted to lowering their prices. 4 months after release, they started lowering their prices. When was the last time Apple did that? It's gotten bad enough that Apple doesn't even tell anyone their sales figures anymore.
Here's what we know of today about Apple and their iphone sales. You can google all the info if you'd like.
Apple iphone production has be cut by an estimated 10%. No one knows for certain, cause when their iPhone sales tanked, they stopped giving sales figures. Obviously a sign of bad times.
Everyone who produces something for the iphone have had to reduce their profits forecast. Samsung cut their forecast, as they make iphone screens. Lumentun cut their forecast, as they make face id components. Even smartphone case manufacturers cut forecasts.
You can say Apple is doing OK all you want, but data shows otherwise. I agree with you on the gripes, as I don't think those are really any concerns on it's sales performance. It might have when they first started doing it, but I don't imagine it matters anymore today.
I do agree with PeachNCream on the gimmick features they are throwing on phones today to try to lift sales. I just don't see it increasing sales, as the cost for them are just so high or it's a feature most don't care about. It reminds me of the days when non-smartphones were getting things like 3D cameras, point & shoot cameras jammed into the phone, or what have you. I see folding screens as something people do want, but not at the price points they are currently setting.
LG, design a phone that is competitive and actually sells and you won't have to move production out of your home country. Those are jobs fellow Koreans are now going to lose.
Well, I do know one person in my family who uses LG phones, but only because it's the only non-Chinese brand which flagships are cheap (second-hand price of LG V30 is only around 180 USD in where we live). I have a handed down LG G6+ (H870DS) which I use as a PMP. It has a really nice audio quality thanks to its Quad DAC, but that's the only case I'd consider using a LG phone.
I had the LG G2A a long time ago. The hdmi port was nice. I have long since moved to Sony Xperias, but their last set of phones I completely skipped. I just want a flat, rectangular phone. Their X10 is back to the previous form I like though, although skinny and long shape. So looks a little weird.
The moto x4 amazon version is $120 at amazon right now. Its 8 cores, 2.2 GHz, 3 GB ram and 1980p screen with 3000mAh battery life and unlocked to work on all networks including CDMA! Pretty hard to compete when the low end is so feature packed.
I'd stay away from Moto after Lenovo took over, the phones aren't as reliable as they used to be (the first gen Moto G had exemplary build quality and stability).
I've been wanting to switch over to LG from Samsung for awhile now, but the poor display accuracy, lousy cameras, and poor software update history were all deal-breakers, so I've been waiting years for them to get their act together. Recent moves (even before this) lead me to believe that they were pulling out of the market, that was another thing I was wary of.
G7 ThinQ owner here. Yes, we exist. I am actually happy with the phone, hardware wise. I know of poor display accuracy, but frankly it is not hurting me in everyday use... and most people who checked phone commented on "nice screen". It is really bright (a lot of daylight outdoors use) and sharp... and RGBW configuration does seem to be gentler to battery when full brightness, as I'm yet to run out of juice during the day, even with smallish battery.
Camera is serviceable. Far from the best, but most of my phone photos end up on FB and such, downsized to 2MP... downsizing hides fine details loss and most other shortcomings. Not to be taken wrong, camera is far from the best, but not the worst either. It is just average. I', finding wide angle more useful than some other phones standard-tele combos, so it's not all that bad.
But software. TBH, software it was released with seems to be very stable, and it was easy to default everything to Google native apps (SMS, phone, contacts etc). Still, it really sits bad with me the fact that last security update for this version came in October 2018, and promised Q1 release for Pie update hasn't happened here in NZ (we share phone version with Australia, Hong Kong and China). Not only that, but trying to get any answer re security and OS updates ended up with experience similar to talking to a brick wall.
This phone model is released to a market with 1.5 billion people... surely worth some effort.
A guy here in Anandtech did have a point... better sticking with older but ironed out software, than getting buggy updates that take forever to be fixed (his experience with Sony phone). I guess it is true, it might be lesser evil - but it is still bad, even if less bad than getting half-baked update. And security updates should be no-brainer.
I'm thinking my next phone should be Google's own, or Android One.
Personally i feel that LG flagships are criminally underrated and overlooked by reviewers due to bias from previous experiences or plain ignorance.
Their software is much more usable than the crap supplied by the likes of Huawei, Oppo and Vivo and the additions are very useful. Their build quality is high and the phones look and feel good. Their phones have excellent sound quality and 3.5mm ports, which is a massive plus point.
Software updates are overrated. Almost every single experience I have had with major updates has resulted in a worse performing and buggier device. My S9 is worse than it was with the stock firmware My older LGs all suffered in terms of battery or/and stability after version updates.
As long as security updates are provided, i am happy with not having the latest version. There is very little usability difference between Nougat and Pie for example apart from superficial gimmicks.
LG is overlooked because they have spent about $4 marketing. No giving out hardware to reviewers, not supplying to influencers for giveaways, no launch marketing or giveaways themselves. They did the criminality to themselves.
Waiting for just 1 manufacturer to make a small, simple phone with a great camera, 3.5mm jack, UFS storage, AMOLED display, a large battery and built to last. After 16nm performance is largely adequate for the average user on just about any chipset as long as the resolution is 1920x1080. I think it would sell. Tired of gimmickz
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shady86 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
LG has never recovered since the bootloop scandal with G3/G4 series. I'm not surprised if they are out of the market soon with not much innovations and poor quality reputation.porcupineLTD - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
They also refused to increase battery capacity even though LG fans wanted that.The battery is no longer removable even though LG fans loved that.
They added the retarded notch that NOBODY wanted (an LG rep hosted an AMA about notches on reddit before the G7 came out and subsequently deleted it after almost all the comments were against notches.)
I'm just waiting for them to remove the headphone jack and in exchange give the ability to unlock the phone with one's ass.
porcupineLTD - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Edit: it was not an AMA it just asked users what they thought about notches.PeachNCream - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
The last couple of years have not been kind to any phone manufacturer. Handset upgrades have declined significantly as people use existing phones for longer than in the past. I think they're tired of the drumbeat of new phones and are not seeing much reason to move to the latest. Costs have gone up, headphone jacks are absent from a number of newer models, batteries can no longer be easily replaced, and performance increases are not yielding a better user experience. OEMs are tossing mud against the wall with gimmicks like folding screens, a plurality of camera sensors, and notches that people simply do not care about given the price penalty needed to obtain them.Midwayman - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Doesn't help that subsidies have dried up. Used to be able to get all sorts of good deals and these days they're usually *with trade-in. With trade-in values less than you could get on ebay or swappa. I'm much more okay with waiting 6-9 months into a phones life to pick up deals than I used to be since they're useful life is so much longer.name99 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
You sure about that? ALL phone manufacturers?https://www.statista.com/chart/14948/apple-iphone-...
I'd say Apple is doing OK. And I'd say that your bundling a random collection of gripes that, viewed superficially, apply as much to Apple as to struggling manufacturers, shows a serious lack of interest in actually understanding the subject.
Is the problem a notch or is it a lack of accompanying benefit (instant, highly performant, FaceID)?
Is the problem a lack of headphone jack, or a lack of accompanying benefit (well-performing, easy to use, bluetooth headphones)?
khanikun - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link
Your link is outdated by how long? 5 months? Literally the link is 2 months after it's release. Of course it shows strong sales, although even in your own link, it's flat. It's just higher revenue, cause the thing costs more.Apple iphone sales are lower than expected and to prop it back up, they'd resorted to lowering their prices. 4 months after release, they started lowering their prices. When was the last time Apple did that? It's gotten bad enough that Apple doesn't even tell anyone their sales figures anymore.
Here's what we know of today about Apple and their iphone sales. You can google all the info if you'd like.
Apple iphone production has be cut by an estimated 10%. No one knows for certain, cause when their iPhone sales tanked, they stopped giving sales figures. Obviously a sign of bad times.
Everyone who produces something for the iphone have had to reduce their profits forecast. Samsung cut their forecast, as they make iphone screens. Lumentun cut their forecast, as they make face id components. Even smartphone case manufacturers cut forecasts.
You can say Apple is doing OK all you want, but data shows otherwise. I agree with you on the gripes, as I don't think those are really any concerns on it's sales performance. It might have when they first started doing it, but I don't imagine it matters anymore today.
I do agree with PeachNCream on the gimmick features they are throwing on phones today to try to lift sales. I just don't see it increasing sales, as the cost for them are just so high or it's a feature most don't care about. It reminds me of the days when non-smartphones were getting things like 3D cameras, point & shoot cameras jammed into the phone, or what have you. I see folding screens as something people do want, but not at the price points they are currently setting.
Xex360 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
LG lost all credibility by just blindly copying the worse of the competition, they had very interesting designs in the v10/20 and the G4/5/6.Chaser - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
LG, design a phone that is competitive and actually sells and you won't have to move production out of your home country. Those are jobs fellow Koreans are now going to lose.Gunbuster - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Close all factories, they have no consumer traction. I have literally NEVER seen a human in person with an LG smartphone.cornandbeans - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Well, I do know one person in my family who uses LG phones, but only because it's the only non-Chinese brand which flagships are cheap (second-hand price of LG V30 is only around 180 USD in where we live).I have a handed down LG G6+ (H870DS) which I use as a PMP. It has a really nice audio quality thanks to its Quad DAC, but that's the only case I'd consider using a LG phone.
khanikun - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link
I had the LG G2A a long time ago. The hdmi port was nice. I have long since moved to Sony Xperias, but their last set of phones I completely skipped. I just want a flat, rectangular phone. Their X10 is back to the previous form I like though, although skinny and long shape. So looks a little weird.webdoctors - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
The moto x4 amazon version is $120 at amazon right now. Its 8 cores, 2.2 GHz, 3 GB ram and 1980p screen with 3000mAh battery life and unlocked to work on all networks including CDMA! Pretty hard to compete when the low end is so feature packed.ads295 - Tuesday, April 30, 2019 - link
I'd stay away from Moto after Lenovo took over, the phones aren't as reliable as they used to be (the first gen Moto G had exemplary build quality and stability).wrkingclass_hero - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
I've been wanting to switch over to LG from Samsung for awhile now, but the poor display accuracy, lousy cameras, and poor software update history were all deal-breakers, so I've been waiting years for them to get their act together. Recent moves (even before this) lead me to believe that they were pulling out of the market, that was another thing I was wary of.nikon133 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
I'm with you with poor software updates.G7 ThinQ owner here. Yes, we exist. I am actually happy with the phone, hardware wise. I know of poor display accuracy, but frankly it is not hurting me in everyday use... and most people who checked phone commented on "nice screen". It is really bright (a lot of daylight outdoors use) and sharp... and RGBW configuration does seem to be gentler to battery when full brightness, as I'm yet to run out of juice during the day, even with smallish battery.
Camera is serviceable. Far from the best, but most of my phone photos end up on FB and such, downsized to 2MP... downsizing hides fine details loss and most other shortcomings. Not to be taken wrong, camera is far from the best, but not the worst either. It is just average. I', finding wide angle more useful than some other phones standard-tele combos, so it's not all that bad.
But software. TBH, software it was released with seems to be very stable, and it was easy to default everything to Google native apps (SMS, phone, contacts etc). Still, it really sits bad with me the fact that last security update for this version came in October 2018, and promised Q1 release for Pie update hasn't happened here in NZ (we share phone version with Australia, Hong Kong and China). Not only that, but trying to get any answer re security and OS updates ended up with experience similar to talking to a brick wall.
This phone model is released to a market with 1.5 billion people... surely worth some effort.
A guy here in Anandtech did have a point... better sticking with older but ironed out software, than getting buggy updates that take forever to be fixed (his experience with Sony phone). I guess it is true, it might be lesser evil - but it is still bad, even if less bad than getting half-baked update. And security updates should be no-brainer.
I'm thinking my next phone should be Google's own, or Android One.
LiverpoolFC5903 - Friday, April 26, 2019 - link
Personally i feel that LG flagships are criminally underrated and overlooked by reviewers due to bias from previous experiences or plain ignorance.Their software is much more usable than the crap supplied by the likes of Huawei, Oppo and Vivo and the additions are very useful. Their build quality is high and the phones look and feel good.
Their phones have excellent sound quality and 3.5mm ports, which is a massive plus point.
Software updates are overrated. Almost every single experience I have had with major updates has resulted in a worse performing and buggier device. My S9 is worse than it was with the stock firmware My older LGs all suffered in terms of battery or/and stability after version updates.
As long as security updates are provided, i am happy with not having the latest version. There is very little usability difference between Nougat and Pie for example apart from superficial gimmicks.
Gunbuster - Saturday, April 27, 2019 - link
LG is overlooked because they have spent about $4 marketing. No giving out hardware to reviewers, not supplying to influencers for giveaways, no launch marketing or giveaways themselves. They did the criminality to themselves.ads295 - Tuesday, April 30, 2019 - link
Waiting for just 1 manufacturer to make a small, simple phone with a great camera, 3.5mm jack, UFS storage, AMOLED display, a large battery and built to last. After 16nm performance is largely adequate for the average user on just about any chipset as long as the resolution is 1920x1080. I think it would sell. Tired of gimmickzsarvendravasha - Thursday, May 9, 2019 - link
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