The Boxee Box Review
by Anand Lal Shimpi & Ganesh T S on November 23, 2010 5:42 PM EST- Posted in
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- HTPC
- Boxee Box
Trouble at the Main Event
Loading shows is slow. It’s not unbearable, but definitely not instantaneous. As you’ll see in the YouTube video I’ve embedded below, it took me around 25 seconds to start playing content once I’d selected it. That’s not exactly quick. Doing the same on a modern PC would take about 14 seconds (including loading a webpage and hitting play on the embedded video player.
It’s not just performance though, there are clear bugs in the software. I tried watching Conan and once I took it full screen elements of the webpage behind the full screen window would appear as thin white lines on top of the video.
Sometimes I’d try to watch a show (not on Fancast) and the full screen option was missing. No matter how many times I backed out and reloaded the full screen option just wouldn’t be there. I’d have to reset the Boxee Box to get it back.
Watching an episode of The Jersey Shore (Boxee made me do it) I encountered a strange stuttering problem. The audio remained in sync while video just chopped away. Exiting full screen mode usually alleviated the problem but sometimes it didn’t.
Sometimes you’d get a video that would just stop animating for a few seconds. Audio keeps going but the video just stops completely only to pick up a few seconds later.
A few times I’d be watching a show and audio would drop out halfway through watching it. There’s absolutely nothing you can do when this happens, absolutely nothing. Most shows won’t remember where you left off and most don’t support fast forward properly so you have to leave the browser, re-enter (or sometimes reset the Boxee Box) and watch the entire show again to get back to where you were.
While the fast forward function doesn’t work in the vast majority of cases, you can do it in the old fashion way. First, back out of full screen view to the browser with embedded video. Using the dpad on the remote you can move a mouse cursor to the progress bar in the embedded video player and use the center button on the remote to pick a time that’s close to where you left off. It’s an absolute pain to do this but it technically works. And therein lies the problem. Boxee’s ease of use falls apart when you have to deal with loading web pages, manually going into full screen mode, backing out when audio stops working, dealing with artifacts on the screen and having to occasionally restart the box.
The Boxee Box does have a tendency to crash a lot depending on what you’re doing. A lot of the background indexing can sometimes hang the system and force a reboot of the entire machine without any warning (which you’ll see a few times in the video above).
Every layman I showed the Boxee Box was put off by its performance and finicky behavior, usually saying something like “this is really slow, don’t give it a good review”, “this is stupid why is it in a little window like that? don’t give it a good review” or “are you going to give this thing a good review?”.
It’s easy to use for me and I think if you know how it works it’s not hard to get around its quirks, but dealing with these issues isn’t intuitive. People are used to just turning on the TV, picking the channel they want and watching a show. Boxee changes the way you choose content (you pick the show rather than the channel) but the watching a show part is made more complicated in the process, and that isn’t acceptable.
I should add that not all of it is Boxee’s fault. Ultimately all Boxee does is interact with the underlying webpage that embed the video content. This does limit what Boxee can do (e.g. fast forward). However I haven’t encountered nearly as many issues with video on the web on my Macs and PCs as I did with the Boxee Box.
When it works, it is actually very nice. You get a lot of shows, not necessarily the most current stuff on cable TV, but you get it all for free. Boxee does a good job organizing it and presenting it in a clean manner. There’s potential here, but in its current state the Boxee Box needs work. The good news is that Boxee has been incredibly proactive and transparent in its handling of bugs, which is more than I can say for many larger companies that compete in the CE space. Chances are if you have a bug you can reach someone who cares at Boxee who will eventually get it fixed. It’s just a matter of whether or not you’re fine with paying $199 for something that needs a few software updates already.
About Hulu
Boxee and Hulu have inked some sort of a deal to bring Hulu Plus to the Box. That means at some point, for $7.99 per month, you’ll get access to Hulu Plus on Boxee. It’s cheaper than cable at least.
If you want to however, you can use Boxee’s browser to navigate to Hulu.com and watch videos for free. Boxee doesn’t make it easy to do since the web browser is very slow, but it is possible.
You have to navigate to Hulu.com using the Boxee browser and search for the show you want via a super tiny interface. Thankfully you get a nice overlay for entering in text fields on web pages, which helps move things along.
Other content owner websites worked as well, although with varying degrees of success. With NBC I had stuttering video playback at times and had a lot of problems trying to get an ad to go away while watching The Office. Watching House on Fox’s website was mostly flawless.
I hate to say it but Boxee could stand to have some sort of a mouse as an input. I’m guessing a trackpad is probably the easiest to integrate into the current remote design.
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Ben90 - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
intipoo - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
Looks like a nice little device for people who aren't so tech savy, but I would probably opt for a nettop or home built HTPC with the Boxee software instead. Thats all it is, after all, an Atom based PC with a funky design and the Boxee software.tipoo - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
Its interesting that Boxee ditched the dual core Cortex A9 based Tegra 2 because it wasn't powerful enough for high bitrates, but Apple uses the A4 in the Apple TV which is a single core Cortex A8. Does that mean the ATV uses more compression/lower bitrates?tipoo - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
And speaking of which, would it be possible to run that video decode quality test on the ATV as well?azcoyote - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
Does Apple do above 720p on Apple TV?In my experience they haven't/didn't.... ??
AmdInside - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
That's cause ATV is not doing 1080p, only 720p. I think the problem that was mentioned was 1080p high bit rate movies.solipsism - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
What kind of GPU does the Boxee Box have? What kind of HW decoder, if any does it have? Apple’s A4 package contains an Imagination PowerVR SGX GPU and PowerVR VXD decoder, so the Cortex-A8 can do other tasks. I assume Boxee and D-Link have done something similar, but to what extent?Lord Banshee - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
Did you even read the review? It is all in the Intel CE4100, this is not an Atom this is a complete SoC.Page3
Intel CE4100
"There’s a dual stream 1080p video decoder that can offload H.264, MPEG-2, MPEG-4/DivX and VC-1 decoding at up to 60 fps (hardware accelerated JPEG decoding is also supported). Intel integrates a Tensilica HiFi 2 DSP that can decode everything you’d want to on a set-top box: Dolby Digital 5.1, TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, MP3, AAC and WMA9."
and
"The CE4100 GPU is the same PowerVR SGX 535 used in the MID/smartphone implementations of Atom. It runs at up to 400MHz depending on the particular CE4100 model you’re looking at."
Cygni - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
You can roll your own SFF PC for near the same price, and get the advantages of having a true HTPC.Barebones HTPC box
1.8 Conroe Celeron
1Gb DDR2
320GB HD
Win 7 Home Premium
$300 shipped.
And that little box can play everything Hulu's got, you can put full Boxee on it, can use Windows Media Center, can store files on the internal HD, etc. It won't be super snappy with that much RAM, but it will be faster than the Boxee Box!
azcoyote - Tuesday, November 23, 2010 - link
So true... But devils advocate so on the other side of the coin...Form Factor (not that that weird cube thing works for me)
Remote Control
Turn Key
To be frank, if it gets the average Joe to get one, i am all for it...
We WANT to drive more streaming and less Cable/Satellite