Foxconn and Gigabyte Tackle Socket AM2
by Jarred Walton on June 22, 2006 1:30 AM EST- Posted in
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Overclocking
Our previous experiences with overclocking Foxconn motherboards have been disappointing at best, and we have taken Foxconn to task over the matter. Have things improved with their latest and easiest offering? Take a look at the results below.
We wouldn't worry too much about maximum CPU clock attained, as that will vary from CPU to CPU, and cooling solutions and other factors come into play. Motherboard quality will also affect overclocking, but other results we've seen from around the web generally support our experience with this Foxconn board. We were able to run at a maximum HyperTransport bus speed of 320 MHz without difficulties, though it did require some adjustment of the chipset voltages. The active cooling of our Northbridge definitely helped matters, however, as we experienced periodic instability above 260 MHz without the extra fan.
Active cooling requirements aside (yes, we realize that the above isn't an ideal mechanism for mounting a fan), a 320 MHz HTT bus with a 4X HyperTransport multiplier is a stellar result in comparison to previous Foxconn boards. True, most AM2 motherboards are easily pulling 300 MHz, but at least we don't have to make any apologies for Foxconn this time. The BIOS supports bus frequencies up to 500 MHz, but it would probably take a lot more than just an extra fan to reach any of them with stability. If you're looking for the absolute best overclocking AM2 motherboard, Foxconn still falls behind a few other offerings (maximum theoretical HTT setting notwithstanding), but for more typical overclocking the 320 MHz bus speed achieved should be more than sufficient. Just get a CPU that supports at least a 10X multiplier and you will almost certainly hit the limits of your processor before you are able to max out the Foxconn motherboard.
Memory Stress Testing
The wide range of voltage controls for most of the critical components help users to get the most out of overclocking attempts as well as memory modules. Most DDR2-800 memory is rated at conservative 5-5-5-15 timings, but that's also assuming you only run with the default 1.8 V. We have found in our DDR2 testing that many modules are easily able to run 4-4-4-12 timings at 2.0 V, and the Corsair modules we are testing with (rated at 5-5-5-18 DDR2-1066) are generally able to run with 3-3-3-9 timings with approximately 2.2 V. This Foxconn board supports all the necessary voltages to get the most out of DDR2 memory, and we were able to match the results of most other AM2 motherboards when it came to memory timings.
With two DIMMs installed, testing was completely stable at 3-3-3-9 2T timings at DDR2-800. We could also run 3-3-3-9 1T timings at DDR2-667, but performance was slightly better at DDR2 800 with the 2T command rate. The voltage required for complete stability was 2.1V, which is slightly lower than on other competing motherboards. We're not going to worry about an extra 0.05 V, as variability in memory modules could account for that margin of error, but the fine 0.0250V adjustment granularity that the Foxconn board offers should allow you to tweak your RAM for optimal performance.
Installing four DIMMs stresses the memory subsystem further, and you can see that we had to drop the tRCD setting to 4 in order to get the system to run stably. The difference in performance between tRCD 3 and tRCD 4 is negligible, however, and our 3-4-3-10 2T results are similar to what many other AM2 motherboards are achieving with four DIMMs. (Changes to the tRAS setting have an even smaller effect on performance, and so far we have determined that a tRAS value of 9-14 is optimal with DDR2-800.) We also had to add another 0.100 V, but we're not too concerned about that, as this merely brings the Foxconn RAM voltage up to the level of most other AM2 motherboards.
Our previous experiences with overclocking Foxconn motherboards have been disappointing at best, and we have taken Foxconn to task over the matter. Have things improved with their latest and easiest offering? Take a look at the results below.
Foxconn C51-XEM2AA | |
Processor: | AMD Athlon 64 X2 - 4800+ (AM2) |
Chipset: | nForce 590SLI |
CPU Voltage: | 1.600V (1.300V default) |
Memory Settings: | 5-5-5-15 2T 12x Multiplier 3-3-3-9 1T 9x Multiplier |
DDR2 Results: | 12 x 256HTT = DDR2 1024 9 x 320HTT = DDR2 640 |
HT Multiplier: | 5x below 300HTT, 4x above 300HTT |
Memory Voltage: | 2.2V |
Chipset Voltage: | 1.65V |
HT Voltage: | 1.35V |
Cooling: | Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 |
Power Supply: | OCZ GamexStream 700W |
Maximum CPU OverClock: | 256HTT x 12 (3072MHz) +28% |
Maximum FSB OverClock: | 320HTT x 9 (2880MHz) +60% |
We wouldn't worry too much about maximum CPU clock attained, as that will vary from CPU to CPU, and cooling solutions and other factors come into play. Motherboard quality will also affect overclocking, but other results we've seen from around the web generally support our experience with this Foxconn board. We were able to run at a maximum HyperTransport bus speed of 320 MHz without difficulties, though it did require some adjustment of the chipset voltages. The active cooling of our Northbridge definitely helped matters, however, as we experienced periodic instability above 260 MHz without the extra fan.
Active cooling requirements aside (yes, we realize that the above isn't an ideal mechanism for mounting a fan), a 320 MHz HTT bus with a 4X HyperTransport multiplier is a stellar result in comparison to previous Foxconn boards. True, most AM2 motherboards are easily pulling 300 MHz, but at least we don't have to make any apologies for Foxconn this time. The BIOS supports bus frequencies up to 500 MHz, but it would probably take a lot more than just an extra fan to reach any of them with stability. If you're looking for the absolute best overclocking AM2 motherboard, Foxconn still falls behind a few other offerings (maximum theoretical HTT setting notwithstanding), but for more typical overclocking the 320 MHz bus speed achieved should be more than sufficient. Just get a CPU that supports at least a 10X multiplier and you will almost certainly hit the limits of your processor before you are able to max out the Foxconn motherboard.
Memory Stress Testing
The wide range of voltage controls for most of the critical components help users to get the most out of overclocking attempts as well as memory modules. Most DDR2-800 memory is rated at conservative 5-5-5-15 timings, but that's also assuming you only run with the default 1.8 V. We have found in our DDR2 testing that many modules are easily able to run 4-4-4-12 timings at 2.0 V, and the Corsair modules we are testing with (rated at 5-5-5-18 DDR2-1066) are generally able to run with 3-3-3-9 timings with approximately 2.2 V. This Foxconn board supports all the necessary voltages to get the most out of DDR2 memory, and we were able to match the results of most other AM2 motherboards when it came to memory timings.
Foxconn C51-XEM2AA Stable DDR2-800 Timings - 2 DIMMs (2/4 slots populated - 1 Dual-Channel Bank) |
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Clock Speed: | 200MHz |
Timing Mode: | 800MHz - Default |
CAS Latency: | 3 |
RAS to CAS Delay: | 3 |
RAS Precharge: | 3 |
RAS Cycle Time: | 9 |
Command Rate: | 2T |
Voltage: | 2.1V |
With two DIMMs installed, testing was completely stable at 3-3-3-9 2T timings at DDR2-800. We could also run 3-3-3-9 1T timings at DDR2-667, but performance was slightly better at DDR2 800 with the 2T command rate. The voltage required for complete stability was 2.1V, which is slightly lower than on other competing motherboards. We're not going to worry about an extra 0.05 V, as variability in memory modules could account for that margin of error, but the fine 0.0250V adjustment granularity that the Foxconn board offers should allow you to tweak your RAM for optimal performance.
Foxconn C51-XEM2AA Stable DDR2-800 Timings - 4 DIMMs (4/4 slots populated - 2 Dual-Channel Banks) |
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Clock Speed: | 200MHz |
Timing Mode: | 800MHz - Default |
CAS Latency: | 3 |
RAS to CAS Delay: | 4 |
RAS Precharge: | 3 |
RAS Cycle Time: | 10 |
Command Rate: | 2T |
Voltage: | 2.2V |
Installing four DIMMs stresses the memory subsystem further, and you can see that we had to drop the tRCD setting to 4 in order to get the system to run stably. The difference in performance between tRCD 3 and tRCD 4 is negligible, however, and our 3-4-3-10 2T results are similar to what many other AM2 motherboards are achieving with four DIMMs. (Changes to the tRAS setting have an even smaller effect on performance, and so far we have determined that a tRAS value of 9-14 is optimal with DDR2-800.) We also had to add another 0.100 V, but we're not too concerned about that, as this merely brings the Foxconn RAM voltage up to the level of most other AM2 motherboards.
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archcommus - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
As the article conclusion mentions, I have a Epox 9NPA+ right now. Should I stick with this board and socket and just pick up a cheap X2 sometime soon instead of switching to this new platform?JarredWalton - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
Probably. In a month prices should be at much more reasonable levels, and while DDR2-800 with all other parts being more or less equal will be 5-10% faster, unless you're after maximum performance you're better off just upgrading your current CPU to dual core.archcommus - Friday, June 23, 2006 - link
Thanks. The only crappy part about that is having to invest in another gig of DDR memory instead of putting my money towards DDR2, but I guess if it'd last me all of next year, it's not a big deal.Myrandex - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
I was surprised from reading the specs list that the Foxconn has ieee1394b and the giga-byte doesn't. Traditionally Gigabyte has been the only manufacturer to consistently include this ont heir boards and it was a factor with me in the past wanting Gigabyte motherboards. Those clamp SATA connectors are nice though as the traditional ones are somewhat flimsy.Jason
R3MF - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
that is an absolute winner, and Gigabyte deserve praise for it.i am still waiting for a mATX 570SLI motherboard which has the same third 16x (8x) expansion slot.
preferably a fourth 1x slot as well, but i appreciate the crusties may want at least one legacy PCI slot.
glennpratt - Friday, June 23, 2006 - link
While I appreciate the thought, there is nothing but video cards and a handful of middle of the road devices that work with PCIe. Kinda sucks.MacGuffin - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
But something strikes me odd: Compare Page 4 of this review with Page 4 of the Biostar/MSI roundup. The HTT Overclocking Charts from the Biostar and the Foxconn are IDENTICAL (except the Memory Settings row: 9x332HTT=DDR2 665/9x332HTT=DDR 664)! Maximum CPU & Maximum FSB are the exact same!Max CPU Overclock: 258HTTx12 (3100 MHz) +29%
Max FSB Overclock: 332HTTx9 (2989 MHz) +66%
MacGuffin - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
Also on Page 9, right after the Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory chart,"All three of the nForce4 590 SLI"
Should be nForce 590 SLI.:-)
JarredWalton - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
That one I can entirely blame on Dragon NaturallySpeaking... though of course I have to blame my eyes for not catching the extra number as well.MacGuffin - Thursday, June 22, 2006 - link
Hehe...no problemo. Finish up reviews on MSI K9N Diamond, and ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe within 2 weeks and I won't ask for my money back ;-)