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  • RaistlinZ - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    No 32" version?
  • quiksilvr - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    It will come in time. 4K at anything higher than 120Hz is insane already.
  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    32" versions are roughly a quarter behind at last estimate.
  • evilpaul666 - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    How long until we get a single GPU that can drive one?

    Also, how well does HDR actually work in Windows? It's nice having new tech, but Nvidia's 3D Vision still doesn't work very well and I don't think they're supporting it anymore.

    And how about with mixed multi-monitor setups? I'd kind of like to get one if it's not $2,000, but getting two might be overdoing it (on my wallet).
  • Sttm - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    Well as its Nvidia's own HDR tech, I'd hope as well as Gsync itself.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    On that note, is activating Gsync still weirdly awkward and arcane or is that sorted now? Last time I tried (~18 months) it was a headache making sure all your control panel settings were set correctly.
  • Umer - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    It really was never much of an issue back then either, you enable it only once and disable V-Sync from in-game and you're good to go.

    However, around the time frame of what you mentioned, NVIDIA would reset G-Sync's settings each time with its driver update, but that doesn't happen anymore so it's really all good. I haven't had to check or adjust my G-Sync settings in over a year now, I think.
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    at >120 hz max quality on most AAA titles probably 2 or 3 years. HardOCP managed to get its hands on a Titan V and it managed ~60hz on the more GPU intensive half of the games they tested; some of the less GPU intensive ones got above 100hz but appeared to be CPU bound.

    Combined with new titles having steadily higher GPU demands we'll probably need at least 2 generations of newer cards to max out 4k on an xx80/xx80Ti level card.
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    >HardOCP managed to get its hands on a Titan V

    How about our testing? https://www.anandtech.com/show/12170/nvidia-titan-...
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    That was 4 months ago, [H]'s article's only a few days old. Guess which one was fresh in my memory and which one I'd forgotten about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • nevcairiel - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Its important to note that a Titan V is not a gaming card though. The architecture between gaming-focused chips like the GP102,104,etc is distinctly different to the compute-focused chips like the GP100 or GV100.

    So basically, a full gaming Volta (the x80 Ti variant of that line) would quite possibly exceed the Titan V in gaming performance.
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    If the die was the same size a pure GFX volta'd be a lot faster; but even for a GPU GV100's enormous; I'd expect the gaming focused GV102/104 to dump most of the compute only hardware to shrink the die size while keeping the core count about the same (the ~50% in GV100 is about right for a generational upgrade). Dropping the compute baggage might let it clock a bit higher but I'd expect performance to stay in the same general ballpark; just be a lot cheaper. (Assuming the miners don't ruin it anyway.)
  • rtho782 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    This is very relevent.

    My desktop monitor is a RoG Swift, 1440p 144hz. I have two 1080tis in SLI.

    When games support SLI, great, when they don't, oh well I have GSync and get reasonable performance still.

    I also have my computer connected to my TV (a 55" 4k HDR model) for "couch gaming". I basically only use this if a game supports SLI as otherwise it's a mess.

    FFXV, I'm looking at you. I either have to drop the settings or accept ~40fps, which means with vsync I'm seeing more like 30fps.

    With SLI dying a death, we need much more powerful GPUs before I would run a 4k display as my main display.
  • imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    Right..its almost like they think people forget that its been announced since June 1, 2017. In fact its been delayed THREE times since then.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/11491/acer-asus-unv...

    So basicly they are lowering specs. But the kicker here is there the monitors in first article DID get a small release in Japan...for $2000, lol
  • Sarchasm - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    They were announced at least as far back as CES 2017. Most seasoned vets who track monitor release know to add +15 months from the date of a product's first trade show appearance, especially if it involves AUO.

    They haven't lowered the specs at all, that I've seen.
  • imaheadcase - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Yes they did, look at the link i posted. 27 inch vs 34. 144Hz vs 200Hz.
    They simply could not mass produce what they wanted to. And honestly 27 inch 4k is totally not worth it.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Why is it "totally not worth it"?
  • noumuon - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I think you're confused. Your link indicates they showed off 27 inch 144 hz displays and simply announced the higher spec displays. You should try reading a little better.
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Yup. The curved 3440x1440 200hz panel is a bit farther down AUO's pipeline. The 27" 4k one has always been their first hundreds of dimming zones HDR model.

    AUOs 144p 200hz ultrawide along with a 16:9 1440p panel at 240hz is 18Q2, with a 32" 4k 144hz in Q3. They've got a few other panels in flight as well; but those're the ones of most interest to gamers.

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/38.htm#au...
  • Birb Person - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    They haven't lowered the specs at all.
  • imaheadcase - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Yes they did, see my link i posted.
  • edzieba - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Those are different monitors entirely you have linked to.
  • Sttm - Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - link

    But what about the 35 inch 200hz HDR monitor? Ive got $1500 sitting in my savings waiting for it!
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    scheduled for the next quarter unless AUO blows another schedule milestone. OTOH I suspect the 384/512 zone backlighting for HDR was the most likely thing to slow down all of their scheduled panels; so hopefully now that the first ones are coming out it'll be smooth sailing for the rest of them.
  • Samus - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Will it be IPS?
  • Hurr Durr - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Hardly important for gaming.
  • Spunjji - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Yes, because I want to spend $2000 on a screen and only use it for one thing. :|

    Also some of us do give a rat's ass about colour quality even when playing games.
  • Hurr Durr - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    If a rat`s ass is all you give, TN will be far, far cheaper.
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    The article clearly states that it's AHVA.

    "AU Optronics’ M270QAN02.2 AHVA panel"
  • TristanSDX - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    IPS name is trademarked for LG, so other must use diffrent names for the same tech
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Yes but that’s common knowledge. The display technology was listed in the article.
  • TristanSDX - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    yes
  • Zizy - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    What is the point of this if we have to suffer 4:2:2?
    That said, when is DP 1.5 coming that will fix this issue?
  • edzieba - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Unless it's a TV, it's 4:4:4 like any other monitor.
  • nevcairiel - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    DP 1.4 has enough bandwidth for 4K, 8-bit, 120 Hz, and for 4K, 10-bit, 144Hz it can also use its DSC compression. Chroma remains untouched.
  • risa2000 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    DP 1.4 standard can do that, but is there any card that fully supports DP 1.4? As far as I noticed the latest models from NVIDIA and AMD were "DP 1.4" ready, which meant they supported slower transfer speeds with DP 1.4 signaling. I also have not seen any bridge chip (DP<->MIPI) which has full support for DP 1.4 speeds.
  • edzieba - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    "which meant they supported slower transfer speeds with DP 1.4 signaling"

    DP 1.3 and DP 1.4 have the exact same link speed.
  • risa2000 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Well, then I would rephrase my question in this way: Has anyone seen a product (monitor, gfx card) which supports all the speeds to the max defined in DP 1.3 (and subsequently DP 1.4)?
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    There has been no announcement of any changes to the underlying tech. So we'll see where things stand when it ships, but AFAIK it's still using 4:2:2. DSC is not being used.
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    3840*2160*30*144 = 35.8 Gbps

    Display port 1.3/1.4 max bitrate is 32.4 Gbps. In order to have all features enabled at once DSC must be used. You can kick the refresh rate down to the still very acceptable 120 Hz, bump down to 8-bit (boo), or do the unthinkable and lower the resolution to fit within DP 1.4's link budget.

    If I had a monitor like this I'd be interested in ULMB. I never use G-Sync on my monitor and always use ULMB 120 Hz. I feel like this is a very underappreciated feature and it doesn't get talked about much. Regardless of price ULMB is a make or break feature for this monitor to me and there's no mention of it being present or not being present. I assume it will be since it's part of G-Sync but if they've been going on a feature slash I can see ULMB going to the chopping block.
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    DSC is not necessary if you use 4:2:2. That was what NVIDIA decided upon to get the bandwidth figures to work out.
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I'll be interested to learn if the monitor switches to 4:4:4 if the monitor is used in a mode that doesn't require more than 32.4 Gbos.
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I can't imagine a scenario where they're stuck in 4:2:2. The lower chroma subsampling is for bandwidth reasons; the panel would be full 30 bit color regardless.
  • bug77 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    No consumer card does 10bpp anyway. So there's that.
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    All current generation consumer cards do 10bpp. NVIDIA just restricts 10bpp support under OpenGL to their pro cards.
  • Hurr Durr - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    >suffer

    You can`t even see the difference in motion, (((sufferer))).
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Looks like someone doesn't play warframe or any other high motion game.
  • Hurr Durr - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    >warframe

    They actually deserve it then.
  • zodiacfml - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Since it is late, it will be interesting to see the position of these monitors vs. what they call the Big Format Gaming Displays (BFGDs).
    I already bought a 43" 4K TV which is excellent as a non-gaming monitor despite its low cost.
  • halcyon - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Finally, I hope these launch times, esp. for the 32" versions finally stick. It's been a series of postponement after postponement.

    And the Asus 32" HDR 4K FALD monitor is NOT performing up to par (even for a ProArt graphics/video professional display), so we do need the competition.
  • TristanSDX - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Monitors with 384 FALD will soon be outdated, as AUO will release monitors with mini-led backlight without irritiating 'halo' issues.
    https://www.ledinside.com/news/2018/3/auo_to_ship_...
  • DanNeely - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Assuming AUO doesn't end up slipping the release dates for them by a year because of manufacturing problems again.

    And ofc, by the time those are out something else even better will be on the horizon...
  • edzieba - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Companies have been chasing inorganic LED planar arrays for a long, long time. Remember CrystalLED?
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    At least in this case AUO is just shrinking the backlight down so I don't expect much delays. The MicroLED's as Samsung is calling them now for the planar arrays are still a long ways off.
  • Hixbot - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    It's frustrating that gsync displays don't also support the new VRR standard. I can understand why freesync/vrr displays don't have gsync as it has a cost. But gsync displays should support vrr as it's free. The separation of the two standards is preventing me from buying a display at all. Are you listening, display manufacturers? I'm not buying a display until it supports gsync and vrr.
  • 3DoubleD - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Amen. Super annoying to be locked into one GPU manufacturer because of the monitor. I guess NVIDIA is still making money on GSync, otherwise they would have abandoned it already. I'm also hoping one standard is adopted for TV's as well. While GPU and memory prices are outrageously high, there is nothing but waiting left to do...
  • mooninite - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    I bet it's AUO's terrible QA on the panels causing the delay. If they are anything like their 27" 1440p g-sync displays these are bound to be really bad as well.

    Read reviews for the ASUS PG279Q or Acer/ViewSonic models. They all use the same AUO panel.
  • willis936 - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link

    Hmm I've had an AU Optronics M270DAN02.3 for two years. No dead pixels and contrast ratio of 1100:1. Not every panel that leaves their factory is bad.
  • Hurr Durr - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link

    It's not dead pixels these days, but light bleed and such.
  • willis936 - Saturday, March 24, 2018 - link

    Yeah I think I measured 20% uniformity. For the feature list and price I don't expect a perfect product. I'm very happy with it and was glad to get my hands on the first consumer 1440p 120+ Hz IPS. I can't see myself upgrading before OLED is more standard. The contrast ratio and response time is good for any application.
  • Kalcron - Monday, April 23, 2018 - link

    i kinda wish they would make a 32" 4k 144hz version aswell, may sound insane but i have grown kinda accustomed to the 34" WQHD 100hz 3440 x 1440 G-sync going down to 28" which is only 1" step up from the acer 27" 4k monitor is not a very jaw dropping experience to say the least.

    Plus if it doesnt have g-sync i will not even look at it.

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