I really like the looks of it. I am curious how it will wear though.
Overall it feels just a bit too expensive for what it is. I like the idea that it is convertible, has great battery life, has an LTE modem, and doesn't sacrifice too much performance (though it definitely isn't fast). At $1000 I feel like it would be amazing.
I think it would be best to skip this and get 10th generation, I have not seen anything on Y series but likely longer battery life and better performance. Yes Y series move from 5V to 9V, but Thunderbolt is integrated and higher voltage should increase performance. I serious doubt anybody would notice it.
One thing I like about my Dell XPS 13 2in1 in compared to Dell XPS 15 2in1 is quite and extremely light - actually very similar to my old MacBook Air. The new one significantly faster but has fans.
On this notebook, I would agree HP has bad name for it - but that is part of past now so probably does not matter. Personally I think HP has seriously lost it quality - especially from days of older calculators - I heard stories of some of original HP calculates surviving be run over on road in snow and ice. I think it was HP 25 or 29.
Please research before you post - Intel change the voltage on Y models from 5V to 9V. But this could also because WIFI 6 integrated in chip in addition Thunderbolt 3
Christ you're dumb. You mean 5W to 9W TDP, not 5V/9V. And it won't mean jack shit since Intel never has correct TDP either. It only means 10nm is a power hog as predicted.
HStewart really started to lose his marbles ever since the time Ryzen 3000 was unveiled at Computex. I truly pity him.
That said, I am not very hopeful that Ice Lake will be a very good performer at lower power. As Ian found with his review of the Cannon Lake based NUC, the silicon draws more power at a given frequency than previous generations. That leads me to believe their 10nm manufacturing process is particularly leaky. That would naturally explain why they had to raise the power rating on their Y-class/Core M products to a 9W TDP. Even with all the tweaks and workarounds they may have done at the logic level to ease the brunt of their broken process at the silicon level, power draw potentially remains as a serious issue.
hstewart.. please do your own research before YOU post.. its watts NOT voltage... as bubblyboo said.. intels cpus rarely run at the TDP they say.. these 5 WATT and 9 WATT cpus will probably run higher then that...
Thunderbolt is not always active and therefore it and the other features that got pulled into the CPU die shouldn't be contributing to such a high TDP. I am quite skeptical and wary of Ice Lake and I am thinking that their 10nm manufacturing process is leaky just like Cannon Lake was which contributed to its unusually high power draw.
HStewart... are you ok ?? did you fall on your head ?? do you have ANY idea what would happen if you put 5 or 9 VOLTS of power into a cpu ?? it would probably fry and die in a firery death... is your blind fan boyism so bad now you can think straight
Intel was never really as efficient for mobile (<5W) though, which is why their atom line failed spectacularly. ARM-based processors definitely has the advantage in the low-power field
I like the idea of a leather covered laptop, leather feels nice to the touch for me. And it makes a nice change I think. I have an HP ENVY X360 with the Ryzen 2500U in it, and it is a really great little machine and was £649 when I bought it. I can manually set the power limit to 30W and disable the skin temperature throttling for maximum sustained performance. It is around 3.1 GHz all core in multi-thread and 3.4-3.5 GHz in single threaded. In games the GPU can boost to 800-900 MHz and easily beats any Ultrathin Intel iGPU. Also I think at stock the 2500U is heavily throttling so it explains why it gets beaten a lot by this device in the review. (yes I am aware that the whole point is that they are efficient, and yes Intel's processor is more efficient, largely helped by the fact that Intel 14nm+++ has vastly superior power and voltage characteristics to GlobalFoundries 14nmLP/P).
As for 5W, in this power envelope, 10/7nm will really, really help a lot here. I think if AMD can get 7nm low power mobile chips out soon-ish, they can have a really big competitive advantage against these 14nm Intel ones. But that said, Ryzen with onboard graphics is usually an entire cycle behind the desktop CPUs without. 12nm 3000-series APU are uninteresting for me, as it is basically 10% or close to that, more performance than my 2500U at the same power use. But I heard the idle power use is vastly improved. Sorry I typed a huge comment.
This laptop was one of the inspirations for Project Athena, apparently.
>Though the HP Spectre Folio wasn’t explicitly described as a Project Athena device, it’s representative of the collaboration between Intel and its PC partners.
Props to the 1W display. I'd love a deep dive by Anandtech on how 1W (LPDT) panels work. IIRC, they use LTPS backplanes (a-si -> IGZO -> LTPS from worst to best), panel self-refresh, variable refresh rate, more efficient backlights, and some panel microcontroller efficiencies.
One benefit of the flip-down screen is that it is simpler and quicker to switch between keyboard mode and pen mode for taking notes. Other convertibles require picking up the whole computer, which can disturb your neighbors in a meeting or lecture. A benefit of the leather surfaces might be to quiet any clattering as the pieces fold together.
I pre-order the Folio and have been using it as my daily work machine since. I agree with every point in this review.
One thing to note is that Dell just added fans to its XPS 13 2-in-1 so it looks like the Folio could be the only premium fanless notebook with screen larger than 13" left in the market.
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ingwe - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I really like the looks of it. I am curious how it will wear though.Overall it feels just a bit too expensive for what it is. I like the idea that it is convertible, has great battery life, has an LTE modem, and doesn't sacrifice too much performance (though it definitely isn't fast). At $1000 I feel like it would be amazing.
wr3zzz - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I've had the Folio for a few months now and while I am not a road warrior anymore the leather wears extremely well.bello832 - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I will wait for the meltdown versionIII-V - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Lmao69369369 - Saturday, June 8, 2019 - link
^ And this is why Anandtech should get rid of the comments section permanently.Opencg - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Ah finnaly; A passively cooled laptop in a full leather exterior.RealBeast - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Hopefully soon to be available in dominatrix red.guachi - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Wasn't overly impressed until I got to the battery life. If you aren't going to stress your system, this looks like a great laptop.FwFred - Saturday, June 8, 2019 - link
Fantastic battery life if you're always on the go.HStewart - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I think it would be best to skip this and get 10th generation, I have not seen anything on Y series but likely longer battery life and better performance. Yes Y series move from 5V to 9V, but Thunderbolt is integrated and higher voltage should increase performance. I serious doubt anybody would notice it.One thing I like about my Dell XPS 13 2in1 in compared to Dell XPS 15 2in1 is quite and extremely light - actually very similar to my old MacBook Air. The new one significantly faster but has fans.
On this notebook, I would agree HP has bad name for it - but that is part of past now so probably does not matter. Personally I think HP has seriously lost it quality - especially from days of older calculators - I heard stories of some of original HP calculates surviving be run over on road in snow and ice. I think it was HP 25 or 29.
peevee - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
What 5V/9V? Seriously, dude, stop posting the nonsense and go see a psychiatrist.wilsonkf - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Maybe he means USB-C power output? :PHStewart - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Please research before you post - Intel change the voltage on Y models from 5V to 9V. But this could also because WIFI 6 integrated in chip in addition Thunderbolt 3HStewart - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14436/intel-10th-ge...bubblyboo - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Christ you're dumb. You mean 5W to 9W TDP, not 5V/9V. And it won't mean jack shit since Intel never has correct TDP either. It only means 10nm is a power hog as predicted.Hifihedgehog - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
HStewart really started to lose his marbles ever since the time Ryzen 3000 was unveiled at Computex. I truly pity him.That said, I am not very hopeful that Ice Lake will be a very good performer at lower power. As Ian found with his review of the Cannon Lake based NUC, the silicon draws more power at a given frequency than previous generations. That leads me to believe their 10nm manufacturing process is particularly leaky. That would naturally explain why they had to raise the power rating on their Y-class/Core M products to a 9W TDP. Even with all the tweaks and workarounds they may have done at the logic level to ease the brunt of their broken process at the silicon level, power draw potentially remains as a serious issue.
Korguz - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
hstewart.. please do your own research before YOU post.. its watts NOT voltage... as bubblyboo said.. intels cpus rarely run at the TDP they say.. these 5 WATT and 9 WATT cpus will probably run higher then that...Hifihedgehog - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Watts, not volts, dude.Thunderbolt is not always active and therefore it and the other features that got pulled into the CPU die shouldn't be contributing to such a high TDP. I am quite skeptical and wary of Ice Lake and I am thinking that their 10nm manufacturing process is leaky just like Cannon Lake was which contributed to its unusually high power draw.
Korguz - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
HStewart... are you ok ?? did you fall on your head ?? do you have ANY idea what would happen if you put 5 or 9 VOLTS of power into a cpu ?? it would probably fry and die in a firery death... is your blind fan boyism so bad now you can think straightAshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
To be fair, and old calculator contains a lot less complex technology than an Ultrathin notebook. So...peevee - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
5W for 2 cores at 1.3GHz.Apple A12 is ~5W for 2 similarly fast (in terms of IPC) cores at ~2.5GHz + 4 slow efficient cores.
10nm fiasco costed Intel a lot.
Retycint - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Intel was never really as efficient for mobile (<5W) though, which is why their atom line failed spectacularly. ARM-based processors definitely has the advantage in the low-power fieldKorguz - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
im sure HStewart will find a way to refute this.. and bash arm based cpus some how...AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I like the idea of a leather covered laptop, leather feels nice to the touch for me. And it makes a nice change I think. I have an HP ENVY X360 with the Ryzen 2500U in it, and it is a really great little machine and was £649 when I bought it. I can manually set the power limit to 30W and disable the skin temperature throttling for maximum sustained performance. It is around 3.1 GHz all core in multi-thread and 3.4-3.5 GHz in single threaded. In games the GPU can boost to 800-900 MHz and easily beats any Ultrathin Intel iGPU. Also I think at stock the 2500U is heavily throttling so it explains why it gets beaten a lot by this device in the review. (yes I am aware that the whole point is that they are efficient, and yes Intel's processor is more efficient, largely helped by the fact that Intel 14nm+++ has vastly superior power and voltage characteristics to GlobalFoundries 14nmLP/P).As for 5W, in this power envelope, 10/7nm will really, really help a lot here. I think if AMD can get 7nm low power mobile chips out soon-ish, they can have a really big competitive advantage against these 14nm Intel ones. But that said, Ryzen with onboard graphics is usually an entire cycle behind the desktop CPUs without. 12nm 3000-series APU are uninteresting for me, as it is basically 10% or close to that, more performance than my 2500U at the same power use. But I heard the idle power use is vastly improved. Sorry I typed a huge comment.
ikjadoon - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Excellent review.This laptop was one of the inspirations for Project Athena, apparently.
>Though the HP Spectre Folio wasn’t explicitly described as a Project Athena device, it’s representative of the collaboration between Intel and its PC partners.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3331244/intel-proj...
Props to the 1W display. I'd love a deep dive by Anandtech on how 1W (LPDT) panels work. IIRC, they use LTPS backplanes (a-si -> IGZO -> LTPS from worst to best), panel self-refresh, variable refresh rate, more efficient backlights, and some panel microcontroller efficiencies.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-low-...
So a lot of good technologies on their own brought together into a shipping product.
Gc - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
In 2013, the Sony Fit 13A, 14A, 15A "Flip PCs" had screens that can flip down over the keyboard.https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sony-vaio-fli...
Spun off, Vaio continued with the Vaio Z Flip in 2016.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10006/vaio-to-start...
That model still seems to be sold in Japan.
https://vaio.com/products/z131/
Gc - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
One benefit of the flip-down screen is that it is simpler and quicker to switch between keyboard mode and pen mode for taking notes. Other convertibles require picking up the whole computer, which can disturb your neighbors in a meeting or lecture. A benefit of the leather surfaces might be to quiet any clattering as the pieces fold together.wr3zzz - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I pre-order the Folio and have been using it as my daily work machine since. I agree with every point in this review.One thing to note is that Dell just added fans to its XPS 13 2-in-1 so it looks like the Folio could be the only premium fanless notebook with screen larger than 13" left in the market.
ramisingh - Saturday, June 15, 2019 - link
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