Looking forward to TR3! hoping compatibility with existing boards. I think Intel is going to struggle to compete on performance, price wars mean a great time to buy! Looking forward to all the reviews coming up
The way they split the TR CPUs (by memory channels etc) it makes me think only some will be compatible with the older chipsets, while the full fat ones may need another.
Latest rumors say that new motherboards will be incompatible with Gen 1 and 2 TRs. Also older motherboards will be incompatible with new Gen 3 TRs. So we are looking at total incompatibility here.
I'd say it's only a new chipset, much like the x570 for the AM4 socket. Backward compatibility is likely just like AM4 and EPYC, so why wouldn't TR4 also? Gigabyte has listed 3rd AMD Ryzen CPU support under chipset driver for some time now. I would assume that being the Ryzen Threadripper.
"Supports 4*PCIe x4 bifurcation" With this support, one PCIe x16 slot can be handled by the system as four distinct PCIe x4 interfaces, so, for example, a card sporting four NVMe SSDs could be added into this PCIe x16 slot.
I'm actually a bit disappointed in the way they're segmenting AM4 and TR4 CPUs this time. It used to be that you could get into the TR4 platform with a ~ $550 CPU, which was great for anybody that needed memory bandwidth/capacity and/or PCI-E bandwidth and not necessarily want/need a ton of CPU power. That entry price has crept up significantly over time, especially now that they have a 16 core AM4 for $750...the entry CPU for TR4 will certainly be higher than that.
I do understand the cost per core is going down, but I still wish they had an "entry level" CPU for TR4. Actually I wish they would restructure the AM4 CPU pricing at the high end, since the price hasn't moved on the 2700x/3700x ($329). I'd love to see a cheaper 3700x say $300, 3800x at $375, 3900x at $450, and the 3950x top out at $650. Previously the 2920x 12c was $650, so comparatively you'd be getting more cores per dollar (which should be normal for a next gen CPU), but you're also losing all the features of that TR4 chip (further justifying the price/core drop). I know there was a 2950x 16c at $900.
Since TR4 started at $550, then moved to $650, I wish they'd make the new entry chip max out at $750 (actually I'd really love to still have a ~$550 entry chip). I fully understand AMD is a business, and they need to take every opportunity to make a profit...now that they have established a couple generations of good CPUs they're simply creeping prices up to take some advantage of Intel's terrible pricing model. I'm still quite happy that AMD is back, and that we have MUCH better CPU's for the money in the mainstream market...I just don't like the price creep trend, where top end models don't replace last years and instead just create a new higher price tier.
>since the price hasn't moved on the 2700x/3700x ($329). I'd love to see a cheaper 3700x say $300, 3800x at $375, 3900x at $450, and the 3950x top out at $650. I mean I want lower prices, too, but AMD literally can't keep those SKUs on shelves, they're selling out very quickly as soon as restocks come in, and non-US territories have much lower supply.
If anything, market demand dictates AMD should raise their prices, even if I don't want that to happen. It's not up to Intel to bring something competitive to the market.
There are plenty of first gen and second gen TRs for peanuts. You can buy a 1920x with 12 cores/24 threads for $240 at Amazon. This is completely crazy. Expecting to get the latest models at ridiculous prices is just the perfect recipe to send AMD to bankruptcy and in 4-5 years from now you at the feet of Intel begging for an 20 core model at prices lower than $1200.
well threadripper can start at 24 cores. then what be a $1000 cpu? or more, i dont need that many cpus for one. and two would not ever be able to afford that..
they always bin the dies and the best are reserved for epyc, then some for high-end am4 (3950X) and also high end threadripper (highest cost chips) but also they can always make an entry level $500 usd cpu like a 12-16 core with 4-8 channel ddr4 those will get way better bandwith and such than the AM4 12 &16 core cpus.. whi is why id rather get a lower core count cpu with TR4 than get AM4, id rather have more memory cababilitites than cpu power, but i could always upgrade cpu if i need it eventualy later on (when i caould maybe get a $1000 cpu if i need the power)
but limiting to a 24 core is just plain wrong, they can take the shitiest 7nm zen2 dies and make a 10 or even a 12- or minimum 16 core entry cpu @ say $750 sam as the 3950x will be (should be) and thats your entry to TRX40,80 or WRX80 whatever the chipset will be?
Supposedly the advantage of chiplets was a greater yield per a die compared to the traditional way. Binning still occurs but it should be a higher profit per a die.
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psyclist80 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
Looking forward to TR3! hoping compatibility with existing boards. I think Intel is going to struggle to compete on performance, price wars mean a great time to buy! Looking forward to all the reviews coming upEliteRetard - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
The way they split the TR CPUs (by memory channels etc) it makes me think only some will be compatible with the older chipsets, while the full fat ones may need another.yannigr2 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
Latest rumors say that new motherboards will be incompatible with Gen 1 and 2 TRs. Also older motherboards will be incompatible with new Gen 3 TRs. So we are looking at total incompatibility here.lastdroidkiller - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
RumorsJEmlay - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
No, not total. Current rumor from leaked specs show the lower two SKU's being compatible while the higher up models are not.lastdroidkiller - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
I'd say it's only a new chipset, much like the x570 for the AM4 socket.Backward compatibility is likely just like AM4 and EPYC, so why wouldn't TR4 also?
Gigabyte has listed 3rd AMD Ryzen CPU support under chipset driver for some time now. I would assume that being the Ryzen Threadripper.
lastdroidkiller - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
See here https://www.gigabyte.com/ca/Motherboard/X399-AORUS...lastdroidkiller - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
Also, with the latest BIOS revision, there's a note:-- Supports 4*PCIe x4 bifurcation
Perhaps someone can explain what that means.
Chris.Brisson - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
"Supports 4*PCIe x4 bifurcation"With this support, one PCIe x16 slot can be handled by the system as four distinct PCIe x4 interfaces, so, for example, a card sporting four NVMe SSDs could be added into this PCIe x16 slot.
raywin - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
loving the newly aggressive AMD, great parts, great prices, what's not to loveEliteRetard - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
I'm actually a bit disappointed in the way they're segmenting AM4 and TR4 CPUs this time. It used to be that you could get into the TR4 platform with a ~ $550 CPU, which was great for anybody that needed memory bandwidth/capacity and/or PCI-E bandwidth and not necessarily want/need a ton of CPU power. That entry price has crept up significantly over time, especially now that they have a 16 core AM4 for $750...the entry CPU for TR4 will certainly be higher than that.I do understand the cost per core is going down, but I still wish they had an "entry level" CPU for TR4. Actually I wish they would restructure the AM4 CPU pricing at the high end, since the price hasn't moved on the 2700x/3700x ($329). I'd love to see a cheaper 3700x say $300, 3800x at $375, 3900x at $450, and the 3950x top out at $650. Previously the 2920x 12c was $650, so comparatively you'd be getting more cores per dollar (which should be normal for a next gen CPU), but you're also losing all the features of that TR4 chip (further justifying the price/core drop). I know there was a 2950x 16c at $900.
Since TR4 started at $550, then moved to $650, I wish they'd make the new entry chip max out at $750 (actually I'd really love to still have a ~$550 entry chip). I fully understand AMD is a business, and they need to take every opportunity to make a profit...now that they have established a couple generations of good CPUs they're simply creeping prices up to take some advantage of Intel's terrible pricing model. I'm still quite happy that AMD is back, and that we have MUCH better CPU's for the money in the mainstream market...I just don't like the price creep trend, where top end models don't replace last years and instead just create a new higher price tier.
JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
>since the price hasn't moved on the 2700x/3700x ($329). I'd love to see a cheaper 3700x say $300, 3800x at $375, 3900x at $450, and the 3950x top out at $650.I mean I want lower prices, too, but AMD literally can't keep those SKUs on shelves, they're selling out very quickly as soon as restocks come in, and non-US territories have much lower supply.
If anything, market demand dictates AMD should raise their prices, even if I don't want that to happen. It's not up to Intel to bring something competitive to the market.
yannigr2 - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
There are plenty of first gen and second gen TRs for peanuts. You can buy a 1920x with 12 cores/24 threads for $240 at Amazon. This is completely crazy. Expecting to get the latest models at ridiculous prices is just the perfect recipe to send AMD to bankruptcy and in 4-5 years from now you at the feet of Intel begging for an 20 core model at prices lower than $1200.RyzenCore - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
well threadripper can start at 24 cores. then what be a $1000 cpu? or more, i dont need that many cpus for one. and two would not ever be able to afford that..they always bin the dies and the best are reserved for epyc, then some for high-end am4 (3950X) and also high end threadripper (highest cost chips) but also they can always make an entry level $500 usd cpu like a 12-16 core with 4-8 channel ddr4 those will get way better bandwith and such than the AM4 12 &16 core cpus.. whi is why id rather get a lower core count cpu with TR4 than get AM4, id rather have more memory cababilitites than cpu power, but i could always upgrade cpu if i need it eventualy later on (when i caould maybe get a $1000 cpu if i need the power)
but limiting to a 24 core is just plain wrong, they can take the shitiest 7nm zen2 dies and make a 10 or even a 12- or minimum 16 core entry cpu @ say $750 sam as the 3950x will be (should be) and thats your entry to TRX40,80 or WRX80 whatever the chipset will be?
Death666Angel - Friday, October 11, 2019 - link
You all realize that you can still buy the old TRs? It's not like TR4 is suddenly limited to only Zen 2 24+ cores CPUs.Korguz - Sunday, October 13, 2019 - link
Death666Angel, there is also the IPC improvement to consider with a Zen 2 based TR....Threska - Saturday, October 12, 2019 - link
Supposedly the advantage of chiplets was a greater yield per a die compared to the traditional way. Binning still occurs but it should be a higher profit per a die.zephyrprime - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
The entry level chip is basically the 2950x/50x assuming it's still compatible.AngrySnail - Thursday, October 10, 2019 - link
Software support and AVX. Something that can compete with Intel's MKL.rekha - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
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