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by Anand Lal Shimpi on 9/23/2003 11:28 PM EST
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  • mehrnoosh - Saturday, October 25, 2003 - link

    hi
    man yek irani hastam
    dar morede usdp ye seri etelaat mikhastam
    age javab bedid manonam
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  • SHADERMARK - Saturday, October 11, 2003 - link

    since you ignored me last time..

    We want to know the difference where pixelshader matters.. you morons..

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  • amdrok - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Being personal is not a bad thing... some think it unprofessional, but it just shows that you still connect with other guys that share the same interests... like computers ;)
  • ASMatic - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Hi Anand,

    I've been a regular since the days of the K6 and I have been missing the personnal news for a long time. Glad you brought them back. I totally agree with the early comment on quality and enjoyment going down when the site owners quit. Been a VERY long time since I read something interesting on THG...

    Please tell us about the movies you saw with your girl and what happens in school. You're a grad student (or very close) now aren't you? How is it goin' ? Any research projects profiling up?

    A lot of us DO care,

    Keep it up!


  • narzy - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    glad to see your well :), and the weblog is nice. I was wondering when you were going to get back to me on the T-shirts/store and the other thingie I brought up. its been exney on the ommunicationcay recently.

    be well,
    Tthorpe
    ala narzy.
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    The blog's a great idea. It was a great idea the first time around and I missed the personal touch on the web site. I've been following this site since '97 and one thing that has changed with me is that I not use a Mac as my primary rig. What I'd be interested in seeing are reviews of IBM's non-Apple PPC 970 offerings though. Do you plan on doing any coverage of those machines? I believe they're attempting to break into the Linux market with them.
  • Zuni - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Ordering has been addressed.

    Cheers
  • Pete - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    OT: the ordering of replies seems to be a bit screwy. Someone should take a look at that, as it's unusual to see the reply before the question. :) Perhaps you could also warn people it takes some time before their post appears, to avoid the double posts.
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    #29

    Intel does have much more experience with their 90nm process and it looks to be coming along quite well. There shouldn't be much of a learning curve with 90nm SOI for AMD, SOI just means different wafers at this point. We'll just have to wait and see as there are many variables that will determine the outcome for AMD (and Intel).

    #30

    AMD uses an updated version of their benchmarking suite to derive the Athlon 64's ratings - so the 64 3200+ will inherently be faster than the XP 3200+

    #31

    It's feedback like yours that helps a lot, thanks :)

    Take care,
    Anand
  • SpaceRanger - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Anand,

    It's good to see you doing the personal touch again to the website. It was something I personally enjoyed, and welcome back with open arms.

  • UlricT - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Another question I had was on the Model rating of the regular A64. Since both the AXP and the A64 have chips with a 3200+ rating, shouldn't they perform about equally? I know they don't, but wasn't that how AMD explained their rating system? How did they "rate" this new processor?
  • UlricT - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    "Most manufacturers are expected to run into problems moving to 90nm, we'll see if that holds true."

    Hmmm... Intel has a more mature 90nm process. They have been designing their strained silicon process with this in mind. AMD meanwhile, has to go through the whole process of working with SOI on both 130 and 90nm sizes. Wouldn't this be expensive? Both these processes are new, and problems will come up for sure...
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Anand,

    Thank you for not responding to #22. None of his business.

    Mike
  • Curt Oien - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Anand,
    It's nice to see the personal touch again. I was worried that as you aged and life got even busier, you would move on to other things and the AnandTech I love would be no more.
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    #23

    1) Intel used to cache-bin their Pentium IIIs and Pentium 4s in producing Celerons, while AMD had a physically different die for the Duron. AMD could very well mark some Athlon 64s down to the 256KB versions, but I would think it would make more sense to simply produce wafers full of 256KB chips (maybe in addition to?) simply because you'll get more chips per wafer this way. And if we're talking a mass market CPU, that would make sense. Who knows, they may do both.

    2) We're hearing 1H of 2004 for 90nm, honestly I can see it being closer to the end of the first half but we haven't heard or seen anything from AMD in terms of how their 90nm process is coming along. Most manufacturers are expected to run into problems moving to 90nm, we'll see if that holds true.

    #24

    Two different writers :) I don't think our opinion of the Athlon 64 has changed at all, the part performs very well (remember, Wesley didn't touch on the FX in his preview) - but we have to face reality and if AMD is to succeed there are a few things that must happen. Those requirements were what I tried to focus on in the review.

    #25

    I've spent the past several months looking for and training new folks to make sure we have more content for everyone to read. I don't plan on stepping down anytime soon :)

    Take care,
    Anand
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Nice.. I had been concerned this site was going downhill like many of the other sites that did when their founders stepped down (ie. Sharky, Tom's, FiringSquad etc.) but I see there's alot more going on behind the scenes than the updates would tell and I'm glad.
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    What really struck me was the change in "mood" between the Athlon 64 preview and the actual review. The preview was very upbeat and if I remember correctly it also contained more benchmarks (at least for games) than the actual review did. It just seems you went from excited to morose with regards to the launch.
  • UlricT - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    "what will be interesting is the 256KB L2 version as that will shrink the die size significantly - it could become the next Celeron, although we're not given a die shrink along with it which will once again limit overclocking potential."

    I had two questions on this.

    1. Do Intel and AMD have seperate production runs from Celeron/Duron chips? I was under the impression that they simply tested chips, and the one in which all the cache was not functional was rebadged. If AMD weas having yield problems (meaning more chips from their production runs will have <1024KB functional cache), wouldn't they be better of selling these as "bargain" 64-bit chips?

    2. When exactly is AMD thinking of heading to the 90nm process? Will SOI create problems while heading this way? Is IBM support for manufacturing chips going to boost production capacity, or is current production capacity inclusive of whatever help IBm is willing to give?

    Thank you for the reply! :)
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    hey anand, how much u make per year with a site this big?
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    #1

    Haven't had time to see anything since Once Upon a Time in Mexico - and I'm sorry, I disagree with all the reviews, that was not a worthy successor to Desperado. The bar scene from Desperado was not followed up in the least.

    #3

    They have, but remember they haven't been producing it at 2.2GHz. But with a 193mm^2 die it will be difficult to get huge overclocks out of this thing, what will be interesting is the 256KB L2 version as that will shrink the die size significantly - it could become the next Celeron, although we're not given a die shrink along with it which will once again limit overclocking potential.

    #6

    I look at the forums every day, I saw the bimmerchick on bimmer.org way before it made it into your sig ;) Nice car but could care less about the gal, I've only got eyes for one.

    #15

    Give me a few weeks, we're going to see a renewed push for the Newsletter which will give you access to stories well ahead of their publication on the main site.

    #17

    Rip away :)

    Credibility is quite important simply because it will determine how much support you get from your partners. AMD has lost credibility because they promised an Athlon 64 before the end of the year back in February of 2002 and it is now the end of 2003. If you ask any of AMD's partners they will tell you that they are not very confident in AMD's abilities, which is something you want from your partners. It will determine how much in the way of engineering resources they dedicate towards supporting your product, among other things.

    If you buy products based on stability, performance and platform longevitiy (which I agree with btw), I think we provided a good an indication of how AMD will do in all of those categories with the 64 (except stability, we're going to have to spend more time with the platforms for that). The conclusion was more of a direction on what needs to happen if AMD is to stick around and if the Athlon 64 is going to become this mainstream part that it originally was intended to be. I remember looking at "Hammer" roadmaps, showing the ClawHammer quickly taking marketshare away from the Athlon XP - but things have changed. AMD was forced to move to a larger L2 cache, which ballooned their die size and changed the gameplan significantly.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the Athlon 64, I like it a lot actually and I think there's a good deal of potential with 64-bit (just look at the Linux benchmarks) but AMD has a long road ahead of them. And I don't agree with the thinking behind releasing the 940-pin Athlon 64 FX and following it up with a 939-pin version so soon.

    I'm more excited about the Athlon 64 3400+ due out in the next 2 months, although I don't think that will drop the price of the Athlon 64 3200+ when it launches (at least that's not what I've seen from pricing roadmaps).

    Take care,
    Anand
  • Alex - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Nice to see you back as well Anand. I always enjoyed your "off-topic" type news posts. I look forward to the new blog.
  • nanobug - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Nice to see you back Anand. I'll be checking your blog regularly :) PS - could you do your loyal readers a fan in the off topic forums and put your moderators on a leash?
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    I agree with #17.
  • Christian - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    More blogs. You are first page I check every morning and I would be nice to have a blog from time to time.
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Well, since you mentioned your review, I'll let er rip: Hi Anand, Just wanted to say that I'm a bit dissappointed in your review. Not much mention of the hardware config, using nforce3 boards with a problem, and the conclusion based on comments like '(on pricing) which is a mistake for a company that has lost so much credibility'. Um, maybe in your eyes, but lets focus on the facts next time, rather than perceived credibility. I don't feel that AMD has lost credibility on the basis of benchmarks, in fact, they seem to be far more upstanding than their competitor in this regard. In any case, the A64 is shipping and beats its competitor in most benchmarks (based on results from just about everywhere except Tom's Hardware). As well, the A64 3200+ is about 50% cheaper than Intel's comparable offering, and I expect that AMD will continue to offer less expensive and better products than Intel as pricing changes - there is a long history of this situation. Your comments seem particularly off the mark when this example is considered. I don't purchase cpu's based on a company's credibility, I buy them based on stability, performance, and architecture (ie. how long is the platform going to be around), in that order of priority. I don't feel like Anandtech helped me make a decision with the tests run or conclusion drawn. I'm sorry to see such a worthy site as yours stumbling. Regards, Mark
  • Maarten - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    So becoming a professional, respected hardware site has taken its toll. But its gooed to have this back. (probably won´t be getting the write to you after I get back from school and stuff but hey ;) )
  • Alkali - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Nice to see the blog back :) Talking about things that used to be on the site, where can I become a full member? I remember it used to be the case that you got stories earlier, plus you had access to faster servers... Or did that idea fall on the wayside? Best wishes Anand. Regards, Alkali
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Sorry for the dupes, they weren't showing up and they were lost. Btw, why does my post at 4:43am supercede the one by GTaudiophile at 1:54am?
  • Anonymous - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Sorry for the dupes, they weren't showing up and they were lost. Btw, why does my post at 4:43am supercede the one by GTaudiophile at 1:54am?
  • Zoomer - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Great to have this back! Sometimes, a review just doesn't cut it, even with tons of flashy flash graphs and what-have-yous. These three paragraphs basically summed almost the entire review and added in a tidbit to boot.
  • Zoomer - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Great to have this back! Sometimes, a review just doesn't cut it, even with tons of flashy flash graphs and what-have-yous. These three paragraphs basically summed almost the entire review and added in a tidbit to boot.
  • Zoomer - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Great to have this back! Sometimes, a review just doesn't cut it, even with tons of flashy flash graphs and what-have-yous. These three paragraphs basically summed almost the entire review and added in a tidbit to boot.
  • Pete - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Excellent. I definitely liked the personality your "old" news brought to the site, and it's nice to see you bring more of what made your site popular back. Cheers!
  • GTaudiophile - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Sorry, but I have to add one more thing. I know Anand has very little time to surf the forums, but we know that he does do so from time-to-time. Think he's ever clicked my Bimmerchick link? I know he's a gearhead at heart :)
  • adul - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Weclome back Boss ;)
  • GTaudiophile - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    I've PMed the likes of NFS4 in the past, begging for the return of Anand's more personal news. Thanks for finally putting idea to XML! I think such a blog goes a long way to adding an even greater sense of community here. So, tell us, Anand: do you really drive a Ferrari 360 Modena?
  • RossMAN - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Great job, thanks :)
  • UlricT - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    hmmm... you mentioned possible improvements in the overclocking potential of the FX in the "coming weeks". Haven't they been producing this exact same chip and calling it the Opteron for months now? Is there something on the horizon?
  • UlricT - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    wooooooooooo.... A blog for da BOSS!
  • uncjigga - Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - link

    Blog's a great idea! So what movies do you recommend this weekend? ;)

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