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  • dabotsonline - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Brett, is the new Wireless Charging Plate Qi 1.1 or 1.2?
  • ToTTenTranz - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The article seems to suggest that 4K recording is coming to the Lumia 830.
    If the 830 uses the MSM8926, then I find that hard to believe, since the SoC's DSP isn't supposed to support video recording above 1080p 30fps.
  • ToTTenTranz - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Bummer.. I didn't mean to reply the previous post but I can't delete it either.. sorry for the confusion.
  • Brett Howse - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    It's not listed in the specs sorry.
  • craighamilton - Saturday, December 6, 2014 - link

    There are a number of higher rated phones, I recommend seeing http://www.topreport.org/phones/ among others.
  • jjj - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Really disappointing how they tried to push the 830 as an affordable flagship when ,at this point, they shouldn't even use A7 in anything above low end.That kind of outrageous dishonesty is not what they should base their strategy on.
    And the pricing is poor, 330 euros before taxes for the 830 are getting it close to the HTC E8.
    The 730 is not that well priced either , you would think that M$ would try to actually sell some devices but maybe they want to let all the new WP partners get some sales even if it means the demise of Nokia/Lumia.
  • Gich - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    8xx never been flagships.
    9xx or 1xxx were/are.
  • jimbo2779 - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    They were touting the 830 as a flagship at mainstream pricing, what we are getting is a decent camera phone with a crippled SoC. If it had come with an SD600 that would have still been mid range but at least a decent SoC, the 400 is just disappointing in anything other a low end device in mid 2014.

    I was really excited to see the rumours but was fearful the SD800/801 was not going to make it into the device, that is fine but to stick a 400 in it is just typical MS being shortsighted.

    The Lumia 930 should never have had a 16Gb option and it should have included an SD card slot, no decent camera phone is usable at 16Gb. If you want to keep a decent collection of photos and video then 16Gb is entirely unusable. Keeping media in "the cloud" is not feasible for the majority of people outside of a major city with 4G connection.

    If the 930 had come with a SD card slot it would have been ideal, if the 830 had come with at least a mid-range SoC I could have lived with it. As it stands I may well be defecting to Android for my next phone simply because there is no halo WP device available or due to be released any time soon. I don't want to have to use a phablet to get the camera and storage support I need and the HTC One M8 for WP does not have a good enough camera for my needs.
  • Laxaa - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    930 has 32GB of storage, but otherwise I agree with what you said. The 930 really need either 64GB of storage or an SD-card slot. That's what keeps me from getting it(even though I want it)
  • markiz - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    I know that on paper S400 does not sound as impressive as S800, but on promo materials it's gonna say "Quad core" so it does not really matter to the type of customer they want to attract. Also, if the SOC is strong enough to handle photography well enough, that's all that it needs really. WP can run very smoothly on that kind of silicone, IMHO.

    pricing should be better though. But WP device prices fall very quickly. They will settle lower very quickly.
    Also, if they kept relatively good relations with European carriers that Nokia had, I'm sure the phones will get deeply discounted on different contracts, as is the case where I live (Croatia).
  • Laxaa - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The 930 is really cheap on contract here as well. Just $35 with a 12 month contract($80 a month, though)
  • Wolfpup - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Yeah, it's well worth remembering that Windows Phone doesn't need half the hardware that Android needs to run as well or better. (Nearly) FULL Windows runs very well on hardware that is almost unusable with Android (like Tegra 3).
  • jimbo2779 - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    I use WP 925 and had an 800 before that so I am aware of how well it runs on lesser hardware but a faster SoC will allow games to load and run faster, switch between apps faster and generally run everything not entirely baked into the OS that much faster.

    On my 925 my camera is slow as ass to open up sometimes (granted not all the time but sometimes it can take far longer than you would expect), webpages can be slow to navigate through when lots of media or JS is on it and apps in general can take an age to load.

    A faster SoC would negate or improve on all of these so the experience isn't just dependant on how smooth the OS is but how well the hardware can handle the apps that you run on the phone.

    I still enjoy my WP phones but not having an SD slot on the 930 made it a no-go for me and there doesn't seem to be a normal sized phone that has a decent SoC, great camera and SD slot for WP.
  • Alexvrb - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The new Lumia Camera is supposed to greatly improve camera performance on supported models. I'm very interested in seeing how it does with HDR enabled. I'd really like something with good OIS and solid low-light performance for my next device. I'm not as obsessed with SoC benchmarks myself and even my old dual core Krait runs everything just fine.

    I also agree on Windows (even outside of WP) running well on weaker hardware. I've seen my dad's Surface with a lowly Tegra 3 whip the snot out of my brother's Nexus 7 with the same Tegra 3 - especially at multitasking. Although the latest Android builds are much better than they used to be, it's very evident how much effort MS is spending on making Windows efficient these days. I only hope they continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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  • euskalzabe - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The 830 looks pretty great for around $400. I just cracked my 920's digitizer (though it's still perfectly usable, just annoying) and was hoping to upgrade to a new handset. However, for the price, while it's fine, it doesn't seem as good a value as getting another 920 since you can now get it for around $200. The 920 has a better CPU and screen while the 830 is thinner and lighter... used to the 920 as I am, I think I'd rather spend half the money to get a phone that's just as good as the 830.
  • MrSpadge - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Still no word on a successor to the Lumia 1020 with a decent SoC with Snapdragon 800+ performance :/
  • Laxaa - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    According to Tom Warren at The Verge, the 1020 successor will launch in spring to accomodate the Windows Phone Treshold launch.
  • jimbo2779 - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Spring is a whole generation away, that would be a terrible idea if they waited that long.
  • Laxaa - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The 1020 is a pretty niche device though. I can't imagine it sold as much as the other devices.
  • Alexvrb - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    It didn't, not even close. Entry level and mid-range are their best sellers. On the higher-end, the 9xx ad 1520 are more popular than the 1020. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a huge rush to replace it, it's just not a massive priority. They will eventually, though, and with an even better camera I am sure. I heard they cross-licensed with Canon earlier this year too.
  • Laxaa - Friday, September 5, 2014 - link

    I am hpoing they will. I had the 1020 for about two weeks(it was a Nokia test programme contest-thingy on Facebook where you could borrow the phone for two weeks) and while the camera was excellent, it really was too slow. Like a three second delay betwee shots. My next phone will probably be the 1030(or the HTC M9) and I hope it ships with some up to date silicon. Perhaps the Snapdragon 810?
  • Drumsticks - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Small typo: The new smartphones look like a nice mid-range device to fill the huge gap.

    I think you mean plural devices.

    Nice phones! The 830 should do well. I do think this highlights (among other recently released devices) a problem in lacking a good midrange SoC. S600 was never intended to be midrange, but the step from an S800/S801 is just huge. An actual midrange chip (A12?) can't come soon enough.
  • Drumsticks - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Small brain fart: The A53 does exist. Still, isn't the A12 supposed to perform in between that and the A57? That would make what I'd consider a real midrange chip if so.
  • DanNeely - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    With the caveat that the A12/A17 are only 32bit designs; yes they're ARMs current midrange designs, with ~40% more performance/clock than the A9. However the A12 paper launched last year and the A17 did the same this year; it seems that smartphone SoC makers are ignoring them; with A7/53 (soon) cores on race to the bottom chips and A15/57 on the high end. The middle seems to be fading away with unfortunate results like the underpowered quadcore in the 830
  • Drumsticks - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    And that's the sad part :( The A53 is nice, but a real midrange chip is needed. Laptops have everything from Atom to i3 to i5 to i7, but with phones, it feels like you can jump straight from an Atom to an i7 with everything in between also occupied by Atom.
  • Penti - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    It's pretty awful that low-end SoC's finally get support from Qualcomm and Microsoft after the buyout. It does however do away with the need of other OS:s such as the Android fork. Let's see if they (budget devices such as S200-based 630) as well as these mid range devices actually makes a dent. Development has been painfully slow and it still seems the fans doesn't want much in terms of apps and functionality.
  • Brett Howse - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The 630 is Snapdragon 400 as well, it's the same SoC as the 730 and 830.

    The Lumia 530 is Snapdragon 200.
  • Ryun - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Disappointing. I would have been okay with the snapdragon 400 if it came with the same camera sensor as the Lumia 930/1520. But Snapdragon 400 plus lower quality sensor plus $400 is a joke -- especially when you can get a 1520.3, unlocked, for $500. This needs to be $350 max.

    Also, FYI: http://www.nokia.com/global/products/phone/lumia83...
  • Ryun - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    Sorry. Meant this in reference to the 830. The 735 looks okay but I don't think I'd like not having the camera button or physical navigation buttons.
  • eddman - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    You can't compare a 9 month old phone's price to one that is just announced. 1520 was also much more expensive when first announced.
    Don't worry. 830 will drop in price soon, like any other phone, and will probably sit below 350$, near 300$ perhaps.

    I too am a bit disappointed by the processor, but something had to give. It has wireless charging, OIS camera, 16 GB storage. I think it's ok. Just wish they went for a higher clock, 1.4-1.6 GHz.
  • Ryun - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    For me the camera was the deal killer. I was okay with 10MP but unfortunately, Nokia saw fit to decrease the sensor size from the the 930/1520's 1/2.5" to 1/3.4". They did increase the aperture size by a tiny bit but overall I think the image quality is going to suffer. I guess we'll see when the reviews come out.

    That being said, I heard rumblings that these devices aren't even coming to the US (at least not any time soon).
  • Gunbuster - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    If they want to call this a flagship at mid-range price it needs to be in the high $200's, something like $279
  • theNiZer - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The dual sim Lumia 730 would be interessting as a handset for work - I'm very much looking forward to prices and reviews!
  • Imaginer - Thursday, September 4, 2014 - link

    The Lumia 830 is most likely my next phone.

    The dedicated camera button + removable microSD card + removable battery for contingencies being the main reasons.

    Along with the Windows Phone UI nicenesss along with the Lumia camera options means that I can go with this device for a long while at a lower cost than insane flagship hones, maintain good capability for quick communication bursts and information bursts, and ease of use (in using a small screen interface being easy on my eyes, and no fuss in software overall, while maintaining a distinct organization personalization with the Start Screen combined with a full listing of apps on another).

    Shame that other OEMs had have the chance for awhile. Shame that I haven't seen any being able to deliver of that (Samsung came close, but had no camera button, HTC with their reuse of the One is another...).
  • ryanbillson - Thursday, November 27, 2014 - link

    To make it easier to read, Samsung created the Optical Scan Stand, which can identify text and read it aloud using Optical Character Recognition (OCR) technology. Users just have to dock their phone in the stand, and place a piece of text at the base of the reader for it work. thanks

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