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  • Flunk - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    AMD's marketing department are a bunch of jerks. The A10-
    7700K has the iGPU from the A8 line! That's going s screw up a lot of people who don't know what they're buying. AMD could really benefit from clearer branding. Trying to be more obscure than Intel is not a good plan. This is the equivalent of Intel launching a new i5 chip with only 2 cores or an i7 without hyperthreading. The one thing that made buying the A10 worthwhile was that iGPU.

    Based on the pricing and performance difference they could easily just have one of each category A10, A8, A6 and Athlon and not lose anything. AMD's marketing idiots are not their only problem but you can't beat the market leader if you under perform them at every step. Clearer marketing would be a real help.
  • jabber - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    AMD and marketing go together like oil and water. They have always been hopelessly inept at it.
  • Essence_of_War - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    *raises hand*

    I was that guy.

    I built my brother a mostly TF2 box to upgrade his ancient athlon desktop this past christmas, and I picked up an A10-7700k for him thinking it had the same igpu as the rest of the A10 line, not the A8 line. :/
  • WorldWithoutMadness - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Not your fault. Just blame those AMD guys.
    If you ever met with AMD employees, ask him whether he knows or if he is in charge on naming the product. Punch the guy who gave this atrocious naming
  • Alexvrb - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I always look at specs before I purchase something. Especially since, the part numbers are nearly useless by themselves. I don't care if it's AMD, Nvidia, Intel, Asus, G.Skill, or anyone else. If you get roped in by a product number, your geek card is suspended for a few months. :-P
  • Beany2013 - Saturday, May 30, 2015 - link

    Could be worse. I bought an A8 3870 APU. Then bought a motherboard without video output.

    I'm amazeballs, I am.

    Still, for what I do, paired up with an R280 (was 7770) it's fine. I'm waiting for the Zen cores to come out before considering an upgrade, we'll see how they compare to whatever Intel is pushing at that point in terms of price/performance.
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    If you upgrade to Windows 10 then your build will be pretty dam good. In fact it will be a far better gaming rig than ANY Intel i3, i5 or i7.
  • nandnandnand - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Did you get your M$ check?
  • Alexvrb - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    They paid him the same amount they are going to charge him for a Windows 10 upgrade. He was also probably mentioning it because that chip will benefit greatly in the future from low-level APIs such as DX12. Good troll, I mean try, though.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    In so far as budget gaming is concerned AMD is not under-performing at all. The 860k(and 870k no doubt) is a far more intelligent choice than the similarly priced G3258. It's a shame this test was done the day before Godavari's launch. For those of us not red/green colorblind a review of the 7870k and 870k with their larger stock cpu coolers and improved IPC would have been very welcome.
  • testbug00 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    godavari appears to just be Kaveri 2.0.
    Like Richland was to Trinity.

    Clockspeed bumpbs, perhaps power reduction. No IPC increases.
  • MrSpadge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I wouldn't call it 2.0 if it's just the same chips in different configurations (we should see soon if this is true). It's something they could mostly have done over a year ago.
  • testbug00 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    It probably is a major stepping revision. Hence, it is a slightly different voltage/etc characteristics, but the same core layout.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    The improvement in stock cooling alone warrants a review. Athlon x4 860k/870k is an absolute gem for gaming. Too bad reviewers give us this year old b.s. knowing full well what is coming tomorrow.
  • just4U - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I am perfectly ok with Ian reviewing these and getting them into the bench. The A6 part of the review was very welcome and it's nice to know that the A10 is actually more on par with the A8 which makes choices a little easier.

    A 870 or 860 review with the new coolers though.. hmmm ... "YES!" please do that if you can Ian. I've built a few systems with the 860 and it's crappy cooler.. which does the trick I suppose considering it doesn't run as hot as some of the A8/10s.
  • Alexvrb - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    The more chips that are in Bench the better.

    As far as coolers go, I will applaud improved coolers but on the other hand... aftermarket cooling is almost a must if you overclock regardless. Doesn't have to be extreme, there's some good budget heatsinks out there.
  • eanazag - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    When the 7850K was at $178; it was too close to the i5 cores that it made no sense. It is much more competitive at $138. I'd really like to see it at $125.

    AMD makes sense on IGP only gaming at 720P. Or old games at 1080P.
  • Refuge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Or just lower quality Textures at 1080p (Which makes the bad textures look even worse btw).

    Its that damn slow memory that hamstrings those iGPU's
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    You can buy the 7850k online today for $125. Cheaper if you live near a Microcenter($119). This "review" is pure b.s.
  • mdriftmeyer - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Right, because $13 dollars is passed your price range.
  • eRacer1 - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    "For those of us not red/green colorblind a review of the 7870k and 870k with their larger stock cpu coolers and improved IPC would have been very welcome."

    First review at CPU-World: http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015052601_AMD_...

    "Both APUs have Radeon R7 graphics with 512 shaders, and the only difference is much higher GPU clock of the 7870K model. It runs at 867 MHz, which means that it could be up to 20% faster than the A10-7850K. Alas, we could not verify this assumption as the processor was not stable with the latest Catalyst beta drivers. It also did not run well enough in pure CPU applications, throttling down to the lowest power state after about 20 seconds of heavy load, then going back to one of the turbo power states, then throttling back, and so on...

    This unexpected behavior prevented us from running any benchmarks as their results all turned out to be much lower than expected."

    Looks like AMD sent out a PR statement about the launch. Did AMD marketing "forget" to send out samples for review?
  • Crunchy005 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Ya one of the biggest differences between AMD, nvidia, and intel is AMD sucks at marketing. I mean look at Apple they aren't always the best for the price but they market really well and people don't notice, although you always get a quality computer even if you can get a more powerful windows for the same price.
  • nils_ - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I have heard of the i5/i7 with only 2 cores (current Broadwell for example), but never heard of an i7 without HT?
  • extide - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Those are mobile processors, and follow different rules. On the desktop, i7 means >= 4 cores + HT, while in the mobile line i7 means 4MB L3 cache / 2 cores. Mobile i3/i5/i7 all have HT.

    Desktop:
    i3 - 2 cores, 2-3MB L3 x100 series = 2MB, x300 series = 3MB. No HT, No Turbo.
    i5 - 4 cores, 6MB L3 Except R series, which has 4MB), No HT, Yes Turbo.
    i7 - 4cores, 8MB L3 (Except R series, which has 6MB) Yes HT, Yes Turbo. (NOT INCLUDING HEDT PARTS)

    Mobile:
    i3 - Dual Core 3MB L3, Yes HT, No Turbo
    i5 - Dual Core 3MB L3, Yes HT, Yes Turbo.
    i7 - Dual Core 4MB L3 / Quad Core 6-8MB L3, Yes HT, Yes Turbo.
  • artk2219 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Ah, but even on the desktop an I5 designation does not automatically mean that it has 4 cores, Intel still launches 2 core 4 thread "I5's", and they have since the launch of the original I5 (See the I5 680, 2390T, 3470T, 4570T, and 4570TE). Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate the fact that they called this chip an "A10", but they're both guilty of this crap. Dont even get me started on most of the mobile "I7's".

    http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_i5/TYPE-Core%20...
  • artk2219 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Another note is that all I3's have HT, but not turbo. This is essentially what differentiates a mobile I5 from a mobile I3. Another note is that the pentium's are just I3's with no hyperthreading, and the Celeron is a lower clocked, lower cached, Pentium.
  • extide - Monday, June 1, 2015 - link

    Yeah, those T series don;t always follow the mold, but for the most part, there is indeed a logical way they do things.

    Although, they could have done better, for sure.
  • MrSpadge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I agree, their Ax designations are moslty useless at best, or even misleading at worst.

    However, to be fair: Kaveri with 512 SPs or 384 SPs does not matter much in the real world. The bigger config is bandwidth starved anyway. This is not meant to be an excuse, just some soothing balm for "Essence_of_War" and other users.
  • Myrandex - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Oh what do you know my i5 I'm typing this on right now is dual core four threads. Yea AMD sucks for doing this, this CPU is the same as the highest end A8 with just 100MHz. increase on the base non turbo clock, what a waste. Intel is not guilt free either though they do crap like this as well especially in their mobile line.
  • leexgx - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    almost all Mobile CPUs i5 are dual core cpus,

    but i agree i3 should be dual core with HT, i5 should be Quad core no HT and i7 should be Quad core with HT, but even so the i3 is faster then A10 typically
  • leexgx - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    they need to update CPU-z to correctly show that the Modular CPU on the new cpus of AMD

    or at least show core as modules as they are effectively a single core CPU or dual core performance wise, AMD currently does not have a Quad core CPU in the current line up (Quad Module)
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I can't disagree with your assessmant of AMD marketing. It is non-existant. But what is worse is when wirters such as Ian Cutress LIE to their readers.

    These new AMD releases ALL are meant for Windows 10 and DX12. Where are the DX12 benchmarks?

    Cutress has 3dMark API Overhead and Starswarm yet he benches new products with an OBSOLETE API: DX11.

    Why doesnlt he bench them using DX12?

    As a wrieter Cutress is obkiged to write about ALL of the facts not just those that he wants the consumer to know or those facts that Intel pays him to cover-up.

    So Cutress what;s it going to be? Are you GUTLESS or do you have the STONES to show us the DX12 benchmarks?
  • jospoortvliet - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    These APU's are only useful for playing old games - DirectX 11, thus. Those fancy, non-existent DirectX 12 games will most likely be too heavy for it anyway. Heck, he should test DirectX 9 games, rather than DX 11...
  • UtilityMax - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link

    And guess what, as you can see from the benchmarks, the iGPU from the A10 line does not make almost any difference over the iGPU from the A8 line. On paper, A10 has 1/3 mode GPU processing units, but in reality both are starved for memory bandwidth, so it makes almost no difference if you use A10 or A8 GPU. Looking at all the benchmarks, the A8-7600 is the most solid choice among the Kaveri parts. It loses almost nothing to the A10 line in terms of performance, while costing less and burning less power.
  • ES_Revenge - Saturday, May 30, 2015 - link

    Keep in mind there *are* i5s that are dual-core--essentially i3s with turbo. Clarkdale i5s (i5-6xx) are all that way, and ALL laptop/mobile i5s are dual-core + HT + turbo. I'm not saying the 7700K should have the A10 name (it shouldn't, I agree) but it's not like Intel doesn't have exceptions to their branding as well.
  • Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    That A8-7650K is a really nice part. The 7700k seems rather redundant.
  • xenol - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I can't wait for a Zen based APU with HBM. I'm yawning at seeing Bulldozer derivatives.
  • r3loaded - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Yep, especially when a $72 Intel CPU matches or beats all of AMD's offerings in everything except iGPU gaming and heavily multithreaded workloads.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    You are mistaken if you think the G3258 beats the 860k in gaming when discrete graphics are involved.
  • nandnandnand - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Anything pre-Zen from AMD is a waste of space at this point.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    8370e($120) + ASRock 970M Pro 3 mATX($15... yes $15) and a Raijintek Pallas CPU cooler($33) is an absolute monster combination that will only get better with dx12. Show me a combination that comes close to that performance for anywhere near the price. I loved my 4790k, but appreciating what one has in no excuse for ignorance.
  • azazel1024 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Which may be a long time in coming. I look forward to it, but with GPUs being limited to 4GB in the first itteration, that is a heck of a limitation for system RAM. Once 8 or 16GB is possible, it seems more realistic...but also going to be a thwacking expensive chip. Maybe it'll be cheaper than if you bought RAM and CPU seperately...but you can hang on to that RAM for a couple of CPU/board upgrades and with HBM, you have to replace it each time.

    For a replacable SoC/CPU, I think your best bet is better L3/SRAM and leave the memory slotted. Even when considering iGPUs. Soldered SoC/CPU HBM may make sense.
  • extide - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I would bet that an APU with HBM will also have DDR3/4 -- it would use it as like an L3/L4 cache, or maybe only use it for graphics.
  • Refuge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    HBM isn't going to come to APU's for a few more years at least.

    Not from AMD that is, although, with how they tend to re-badge and reuse, you may still get your wish to see a Zen core with HBM... lol
  • Gc - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Ian, NPB scores beg for an explanation or a correction.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Why are you reviewing old tech when the new model comes out tomorrow?
  • shadowjk - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Even if it comed out tomorrow, it will be months before most people can actually buy it, by which time there's something else that's coming out "tomorrow". Reviews of actual products, that can actually be bought, is useful for anyone about to buy a new cpu/apu.

    Of course, in an ideal world, these would have been benchmarked earlier. Better late than never, I guess..
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    False. You can buy the 7870k today. It even runs on some previous generation FM2+ mobos. Visit cpu-world if you don't want to take my word for it. There are also multiple motherboard manufacturers with new boards specifically for Godavari. This article is completely suspect.
  • ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Why do you blatantly refuse to put up a single Mantle-enabled game to see how lower-performance CPUs (like the ones reviewed) fare in it, as a preview of what to expect in DX12 and Vulkan?

    And where are the results with dual-graphics turned on for the A10 7700K?
    You mention dual-graphics in the first page and the conclusion, but are they turned on in the gaming results?
    There's no comparison with the 7700K with and without dual-graphics turned on? It didn't work at all? I don't get it.

    Yes, Intel CPUs fare better in DX11 and AMD CPUs using discrete graphics cards. We know.
    We've known that for years.
    Now we know it hasn't changed, ever since the last guy who made the exact same tests on the exact same (non-Mantle, non-Crossfired) conditions, which was probably last week or something.
    I love Anandtech, but this review is useless the way it's done, Ian.
  • Guspaz - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Mantle is a dead API (having been supplanted by DX12 and Vulkan) that is only supported by a handful of games... It doesn't make sense to revamp their benchmark suite just to test on something that has limited utility and no future.
  • ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    No.
    Vulkan is a fork of Mantle. Every single advantage of Mantle will be transposed for Vulkan.
    DX12 is an API made largely to follow the steps of Mantle (lower CPU overhead).

    Testing Mantle is the best way to predict how DX12 and Vulkan games will behave with slower CPUs.

    The only thing that doesn't make sense is how Anandtech seems to be so "afraid" of showing how Bulldozer-derived CPUs work with Mantle.
  • DigitalFreak - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I'd rather see them spend time on more useful reviews of other products than on something few people care about. There are other sites where you can find that stuff.
  • ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    More useful than knowing if a $100 AMD CPU might be just as future-proof for DX12 games as a $300 Intel CPU?

    It seems to me that some companies could be VERY afraid of how useful for the consumer that might be, and how that would bring down the value (and margins) of pricier CPUs.

    Not to mention the usefulness for TDP-constrained and lower-clocked mobile CPUs/APUs.
  • sonicmerlin - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Wouldn't almost everyone with an AMD CPU benefit from Mantle? And wouldn't Mantle performance reviews give a very accurate approximation of how their CPUs will perform under DX 12?
  • eRacer1 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Yep, need to get the word out not to bother buying AMD's Zen because even today's modest AMD APUs will be far more than enough to handle the multitudes of AAA Vulkan PC games launching throughout the next few years.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    That is completely untrue. Several new and upcoming games(BF Hardline, Star Citizen, Dragon Age Inquisition) utilize Mantle.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Really suspicious that this "review" comes out a day before the new apu/athlon release. Intel's reign on gaming superiority is over as soon as devs stop being lazy(even with dx11 btw). Check out the new Witcher 3 fps comparisons (especially minimums) over at WCCFtech.
  • der - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    SO MINI ITS NICE!
  • Crunchy005 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I'm assuming the benchmarks were done at stock speeds. The 7700k seems to overclock nicely I would love to see OCed benchmarks.
  • Teknobug - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I like the A8 7600, nice balance between performance and power efficiency but the i3 4130T beats it in some ways.
  • testbug00 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Perhaps a thing on overclocking the GPU would be a nice little thing to add into these articles on APUs. If possible.
  • Refuge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I don't think I've ever heard of anyone overclocking the integrated GPU in their CPU.

    That would be an interesting read, but I doubt it was translate to anything between heat and an already bandwidth starved GPU. I don't see OC helping anyone with these.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    eteknix has a great 7850k review that covers overclocking - definitely worth a read. Nothing like this sham of an article at all.
  • testbug00 - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I've overclocked a Trinity to around 1Ghz from it's base 800Mhz. 5-10% performance increase.
  • yannigr2 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Is it so difficult to replace in the charts the prices of AMD APUs with the correct latest OFFICIAL prices? If AMD was selling A10 7850K OFFICIALLY at $50 today(just for example) why read $173 in the charts?

    Don't get it really, and I don't expect a serious answer. Probably someone will ask me again if I want gaming benchmarks first, maybe in an effort to downgrade the value of my post.
  • MrSpadge - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    AMD chips are regularly sold under well under their official price. I think that's why Ian lists the amazon price instead. BTW: that official price is always quoted for shipments of 1000 CPUs and excludes VAT, so it doesn't necessarily match retail prices by definition. One could argue to include both pricings, though. And maybe use a price comparison engine instead of simply Amazon.
  • yannigr2 - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    $173 price on the charts today, has nothing to do with reality. The prices from Amazon show that. The prices on Amazon for Intel and on the charts are usually different from $0 to $2-$3. The price of 7850K in $127, on the Amazon $134 and on the charts $173. The difference is almost $40 and that paints a totally different image in performance/dollar than what it is in reality.

    I don't care if Ian lists the Amazon price or the lowest price on the planet. I just don't like charts that lie. And those charts lie creating a fake performance/dollar image that coincidentally favors the big company.
  • testbug00 - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Well AMD says that they pricing the chip at $137 currently... It's over that currently.
  • Edens_Remorse - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link

    Yeah... no.

    http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A10-Series-APU-A10-7850K...
  • Cryio - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Conclusion? You want a cheap PC with some gaming capabilities? Buy an A8 7650K and overclock it.

    You want the best gaming PC for the lowest money? Buy a an R9 285 or a GTX 960 and an Athlon 860K. It does the job just the same as an i3 for 40 dollars less.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Indeed - with dx12 that 860k/870k is going to look a lot more competitive against i5s too. One of my favorite CPUs out right now.
  • nissangtr786 - Sunday, May 31, 2015 - link

    Why i5 haswell cpus generally are 80-90% faster then 860k in integer performance and 4x FPU performance. These benchmarks with r9 285 shows the i5 4690 getting double fps then an a10-7850k with r9 285 in Grid Autosport. 860k is in between a pentium and an i3. i3 haswell destroy 860k at gaming due to 4th ALU meaning its gonna beat cpus like fx9590 in most multithreaded games.
  • akamateau - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Hey Ian Cutress, where are the DX12 3dMArk API Overhead Tests? Where are the Starw Swarm Tests?

    Are you afraid that AMD will crush Intel? Are you an Intel scamwriter?

    Where are the DX12 API Overhead Benchmarks? Where are the Starswarm Benchmarks?
  • akamateau - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    @ Ian "The Hack" Cutress

    Who cares about obsolete gaming benchmarks. Where are the DX12 3dMArk and Starswarm benchmarks.

    Are you afraid that AMD A10 APU's CRUSHES INTEL IGP?

    MORE SHYTE SCIENCE FROM ANANDHACK.
  • akamateau - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Ian Cutress I dare you to run 3dMArk API Overhead Benchmark and Starswarm.

    Do you have the GUTS to tell the truth or do you just lie to your readers?

    DX11 is dead. Drive a stake through it.

    DX12 will allow AMD to CRUSH Intel products.
  • silverblue - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    For somebody who doesn't appear to like the site, or Ian Cutress for that matter, you do post the same criticisms multiple times albeit with small changes. Keep it to one post, drop the caps and drop the attitude - DirectX 12 is not finished yet, so screaming foul play isn't going to get you anywhere.

    In fact, you're so intent on gushing praise for AMD that I'm surprised you've not been accused of being either a troll or a paid shill by now.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    I'm not a paid shill or troll - that said I think it's a joke that this review comes a day before Godavari's release. I really should find a better word to use, "review" is a little too generous. And by a little too generous I actually mean - what an effn joke.
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I agree with your assessment.

    These new AMD releases are intended for Winodws 10 and DX12 devices. Cutress has 3dMark API Overhead and Starswarm benchmarks but he refuses to use them as they show ALL Intel IGP performing at 50% less than AMD APU's.

    If you want to buid a great gaming machine and not pay a lot then buy AMD APU's. These new A10's will rock they 100% better than Haswell.

    Cutress knows this but Intel paid him to hide this from his readers.
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Who are you the comment NAZI? LOL

    Is the best you got, whining because I made three posts?

    What IDIOT except you would believe that ANYONE is a paid shill. What a marroon! What are you a Paid Shill for AnandHACK.

    I detest lying media hacks who distort or hide the facts.

    As a consumer I demand the know the facts and if I have to challenge gutless lying writers then I will. Whenever and however I damm well please.
  • silverblue - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I'm a fetching dark shade of crimson? Well, I've been called worse. The point still stands, however - one post would've done it, and without half the rage that went into your previous submissions.

    Paid shill? I can only dream.

    Edens_Remorse - this is a "mini" review that Ian promised (a few days ago, I might add) to publish. The clue may not be in the URL (unfortunately), but it is in the article title. I wouldn't expect much from a mini-review.
  • FlushedBubblyJock - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    Yes, it's a coment nazi, and a control freak, and of course the sidekick whined you're a troll.
    Juveniles.
  • D. Lister - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    If he is indeed a paid shill, AMD should ask for their money back, because he is making them look rather bad by association, if anything. My money's on "troll", and considering how few
    people actually engaged him, not a very competent one.
  • silverblue - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Competent enough to bait me, though... :|
  • D. Lister - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    lol, anybody can have a bad day.
  • Darksurf - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    You got an error in your specs. A10-7850K supports 2400mhz ddr3.
  • geekman1024 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    For a measly -$14, you get -2 Compute Units, -128 Stream Processors, -300MHz minimum frequency and -200MHz maximum frequency, and the same TDP. Who in his right mind would buy a 7700K instead of a 7850K?

    I wouldn't.
  • Edens_Remorse - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link

    Agreed - but if this guy did a decent review of the 7850k like eteknix did or(heaven forbid) waited one day to review the <$150 7870k that comes out tomorrow then AMD would look a little too solid. We can't have that now can we. "Reviewers" posting crap like this should be shunned. Disservice to all but the agenda being pushed. As we can see here that agenda is most definitely not objective relevance for the prospective budget pc owner/builder/gamer.
  • UtilityMax - Saturday, May 30, 2015 - link

    Well, $14 isn't a lot of cash. However, the benchmarks pretty much show that those extra 128 stream processors don't add anything significant to performance. Those units are starved for memory bandwidth. That's why APUs with 6 GPU compute units achieve effectively the same fps as those with 8GPU units. So only thing you gain is the 300/200MHz in minimum/maximum frequency, which is a paltry improvement.
  • Edens_Remorse - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    imagine that, newegg has the 7870k for sale - maybe we can get a review by late 2016 early '17 eh anandtech?

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
  • Gemuk - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    If only you could benchmark these APUs with madVR! I'm sure a lot of people are very interested on how the A8-7600 would perform with different settings, for example.
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Hey silverblow who are you the comment NAZI? LOL

    Is the best you got, whining because I made three posts?

    What IDIOT except you would believe that ANYONE is a paid shill. What a marroon! What are you a Paid Shill for AnandHACK.

    I detest lying media hacks who distort or hide the facts.

    As a consumer I demand the know the facts and if I have to challenge gutless lying writers then I will. Whenever and however I damm well please.
  • silverblue - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I'd love for you to meet chizow.
  • D. Lister - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Such a collision would probably rip a hole in spacetime. :p
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    @Ian Cutress

    Why no DX12 benchmarks?

    You have Starwswarm.

    You have 3dMark API OVERHEAD BENCHMARK.

    Why didn't you use them?

    No GUTS? Afraid to answer? How much money did Intel pay you to ignore DX12 Benchmarks?

    You call yourself a journalist?

    These AMD releases are all intended for Windows 10 and DX12 products and you lie about their performance.

    You are pathetic.
  • akamateau - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    If you upgrade to Windows 10 then your build will be pretty dam good. In fact it will be a far better gaming rig than ANY Intel i3, i5 or i7.
  • piasabird - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    I have a computer at home with the i3 4330 In the chart it says it costs $138 which is probably the current retail price. However, I bought mine about 1.5 years ago for about $124.95 when it was on sale from Newegg. You can often find some good deals around X-Mass or New Years. He who waits, saves.
  • jardows2 - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    For those who are hating on Ian for reviewing older products, not a product to be release tomorrow, and not using BETA or Pre-ALPHA software in review, you are ignorant at best. Here is information for anyone who might be influenced by your baseless rhetoric:

    1. NDA's. The reviewers can only publish reviews when the manufacturer allows them to
    2. Review Samples: The reviewers can only publish reviews on products they actually have in hand. A product that hasn't been released yet cant' get into their hands unless the manufacturer sends them a pre-sample. In that case, see point 1 above.
    3. Time to review. Did you not notice this was a "Mini-Review" and not an in-depth review? It takes time to do a proper review, write it up, and publish it.
    4. Bench. Anandtech writers will put their results in a database we can search and quickly find results and compare to other products. It is nonsensical for the reviewers to run every test you want, or to continue to use benchmarks that are irrelevant.
  • Edens_Remorse - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link

    Influenced by baseless rhetoric? How about we save people from being influenced from this lousy "mini-review." From the incorrect price listings to the nonsensical approach to "reviewing" this product, everything here reeks of bias - well, that or just stupidity and incompetence. Too many helpful reviews of this product line elsewhere to accept this bullsh*t. Eteknix is a great place to look if you choose not to believe me.
  • devione - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link

    I'm sorry that in your world everyone else besides yourseld are apparently misinformed ignorant idiots that need to be told what to do and how to think.

    Thank God for the thought police like yourself. Heavens know where we'd be without such awesome heroes like yourself. You have my kudos and approval.
  • Edens_Remorse - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link

    Ironic. I provide an alternative assesment of the reviewed product based on facts from multiple sources that i have shared here for all to see. I have corrected blatent errors(price/performance) and confronted an agenda, yet i am the thought police. Hehe, ok.

    Sorry bud, this mini review doesn't do the product line justice. Misinformation sucks...
  • FlushedBubblyJock - Tuesday, June 2, 2015 - link

    They're the space age ion cuntress shields, warriors, protecting the helpless and innocent from evil, cockblockers in their own minds, our heroes...
  • zodiacfml - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link

    Can't wait for HBM. Once they (AMD) have it on their APUs, Intel will have an equivalent shortly.
  • ES_Revenge - Saturday, May 30, 2015 - link

    Ugh, like the 7650K, these CPUs are both pointless nonsense.

    Like the 7650K v. the 7600, the 7700K uses more power, has a higher price (significantly this time--35%!) and offers very little (if any) performance increase over the 7600. (Just said this a week or two ago in the 7650K review, btw.) Plus the 7700K has no business even having the A10 name as it has the same 384SP as it's A8 siblings.

    The A6-7400K should be more like $55, not $64. That's all I'm going to say there.

    Fail and fail again :(

    The stars here (if there are any in AMD's lineup) are the A8-7600 and the A10-7850K. The 7600 'cause it's 65W TDP and offers nearly identical performance to the 7650K which is 17% more and this new "A10" 7700K which is 35% more. Less power, same performance, less price? Hmm, what seems like the better CPU here? The foolishness-that-is the "A10" 7700K or the A8-7600? Not a tough decision.

    I mean is this AMD's whole idea here? "Oh hey let's release two CPUs that are clearly worse value and that way we'll boost 7600 sales."??? LOL.

    The 7850K offers the most performance and costs just a few bucks more than the 7800 so that's enough reasoning for me to make it the other stand-out.

    The rest of these CPUs are all nonsense; and, because AMD is so far behind Intel in the CPU dept. not even the "stars" of AMD make much sense to most buyers. Sad. More sad is releasing CPUs that are simply pointless.
  • ES_Revenge - Saturday, May 30, 2015 - link

    Oh and BTW don't get me started on the X4 860K. Save $4.00 ($4?! Really?) and *don't* get a GPU yet also have a higher possible TDP? WTF? Uh yeah it's "unlocked" but you're not getting much performance unless you're able to have a 1Ghz OC on the thing, but that's just going to cost you in more power/heat. X4 860K, for $84?....Worst. Idea. Ever.
  • HomingTk - Monday, April 11, 2016 - link

    thinking of getting a gaming pc (intended for gaming) with a AMD A10 7700k processor. From reaing the chat I don't know what to think about it. Considering there is possibly another option AMD R7 7650K what should I do?

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